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Fractalguy: /* Taboos On The Tube */

2025-06-20T14:46:31Z

Taboos On The Tube

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSolK-vVl4\|\|center\|What are Social Norms? Folkways, Mores, Taboos\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSolK-vVl4\|\|center\|What are Social Norms? Folkways, Mores, Taboos\|frame}}
	<br>		<br>How culture norms produce collective illusions through conformity.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8VHbIYqRs\|\|center\|We’re wired for conformity. That’s why we have to practice dissent.\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8VHbIYqRs\|\|center\|We’re wired for conformity. That’s why we have to practice dissent.\|frame}}
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Fractalguy: /* Taboos On The Tube */

2025-06-20T14:44:57Z

Taboos On The Tube

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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8VHbIYqRs\|\|center\|We’re wired for conformity. That’s why we have to practice dissent.\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQP0jjSMRgc\|\|center\|Taboos around the world\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQP0jjSMRgc\|\|center\|Taboos around the world\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* The Need for Modern Taboos */

2025-05-31T13:12:39Z

The Need for Modern Taboos

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	[[wikipedia:Taboo\|Taboos]] are the way that [[culture]] enforces [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] of behavior that may not be applicable to the [[legal]] system. The most common taboos throughout [[history]] revolve around our [[Sex\|sexual]] [[morality]], but they also include things [[like]] cannibalism and farting in an elevator.<blockquote>''What cannot be made [[illegal]] shall be made unbearably tacky.''</blockquote>This page refers to ''taboos'', but these could be any mechanism for the enforcement of norms outside the [[legal]] system.		[[wikipedia:Taboo\|Taboos]] are the way that [[culture]] enforces [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] of behavior that may not be applicable to the [[legal]] system. The most common taboos throughout [[history]] revolve around our [[Sex\|sexual]] [[morality]], but they also include things [[like]] cannibalism and farting in an elevator.<blockquote>''What cannot be made [[illegal]] shall be made unbearably tacky.''</blockquote>This page refers to ''taboos'', but these could be any mechanism for the enforcement of norms outside the [[legal]] system.

	If you want to learn how [[sociology]] distinguishes between folkways, morays, and [[wikipedia:Taboo\|taboos]] then watch the videos. In this [[wiki]], [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] tend to refer to folkways and informal morays, where taboos refer to [[social]] morays and taboos that are strongly disapproved of, but still typically enforced socially rather than [[legally]].		If you want to learn how [[sociology]] distinguishes between folkways, morays, and [[wikipedia:Taboo\|taboos]] then watch the videos. In this [[wiki]], [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] tend to refer to folkways and informal morays, where taboos refer to [[social]] morays and taboos that are strongly disapproved of, but still typically enforced socially rather than [[legally]].

	== The Need for Modern Taboos ==		== The Need for Modern Taboos ==

	As [[belief]] and participation in [[religion]] declines, so has the ability to enforce taboos and other [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Social_norm social norms]. In many cases this is a [[good]] thing. The [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Sexual_revolution sexual revolution] freed us from many unnecessarily and debilitating taboos, allowing people who enjoy [[sex]] outside of procreation ([[everyone]]) to openly be themselves. However, there are some [[traditional]] taboos that have been lost that we are starting to miss.		In [[sociology]], [[wikipedia:Anomie\|anomie]] refers to the state of "normlessness" that results from the breakdown of [[moral]] standards in a [[culture]]. This condition is a key contributor to the crisis of [[meaning]] and the prevalence of [[grift]]. Shared [[values]] expressed through norms give us purpose, a sense of [[community]], and encourage [[ethical]] behavior that cannot be regulated through the [[legal]] system.

			As [[belief]] and participation in [[religion]] declines, so has the ability to enforce [[traditional]] taboos and other [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]]. In many cases this is a [[good]] thing. The [[wikipedia:Sexual_revolution\|sexual revolution]] freed us from many unnecessarily and debilitating taboos, allowing people who enjoy [[sex]] outside of procreation ([[everyone]]) to openly be themselves. However, there are some [[traditional]] taboos that have been lost that we are starting to miss.

	Losing the taboo on vulgarity has led to a proliferation of [[Outrage\|abusive]] and [[hateful]] [[language]] both on [[social media]] and in in the mainstream [[media]]. There has been a slow and steady increase in the use of vulgarity ever since the first ''shit'' hit the airwaves on [https://www.avclub.com/remembering-a-more-innocent-time-before-tv-became-a-shi-1822031575 NYPD Blue]. Though it has made TV dialog more realistic, it has not improved the level of discourse. A new taboo is needed to improve civility and focus on having [[reasoned]] [[debate]] on important topics instead of using vulgarity to evoke [[emotional]] outrage and clickbait quotes.		Losing the taboo on vulgarity has led to a proliferation of [[Outrage\|abusive]] and [[hateful]] [[language]] both on [[social media]] and in in the mainstream [[media]]. There has been a slow and steady increase in the use of vulgarity ever since the first ''shit'' hit the airwaves on [https://www.avclub.com/remembering-a-more-innocent-time-before-tv-became-a-shi-1822031575 NYPD Blue]. Though it has made TV dialog more realistic, it has not improved the level of discourse. A new taboo is needed to improve civility and focus on having [[reasoned]] [[debate]] on important topics instead of using vulgarity to evoke [[emotional]] outrage and clickbait quotes.

Fractalguy: /* Sonnet 29 */

2025-02-10T13:41:06Z

Sonnet 29

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	== Sonnet 29 ==		== Sonnet 29 ==
	[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes Sonnet 29] by [[wikipedia:William_Shakespeare\|William Shakespeare]].<blockquote>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,		[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes Sonnet 29] by [[wikipedia:William_Shakespeare\|William Shakespeare]] will help you feel better after your recent cancellation.<blockquote>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,

	I all alone beweep my outcast state,		I all alone beweep my outcast state,

Fractalguy: /* The Sweetest Taboo */

2025-02-10T13:40:05Z

The Sweetest Taboo

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRIOWZQs4Gg&list=PL3Yv36aUktyQ5Th1WmziQPoVy307aY0TW&index=5\|\|center\|Lecouna Cuban Boys - Tabou\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRIOWZQs4Gg&list=PL3Yv36aUktyQ5Th1WmziQPoVy307aY0TW&index=5\|\|center\|Lecouna Cuban Boys - Tabou\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5MWg0d6AGQ&list=PL3Yv36aUktyQ5Th1WmziQPoVy307aY0TW&index=6\|\|center\|Shirley Horn - Love for Sale\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* The Sweetest Taboo */

2025-02-10T13:37:10Z

The Sweetest Taboo

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	== The Sweetest Taboo ==		== The Sweetest Taboo ==
	Songs that break the bounds of what is socially acceptable.{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcPc18SG6uA\|\|center\|Sade - The Sweetest Taboo\|frame}}		Songs that break the bounds of what is socially acceptable. [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/28/readers-recommend-playlist-taboos]
			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcPc18SG6uA\|\|center\|Sade - The Sweetest Taboo\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE06lqT0Y2g&list=PL3Yv36aUktyQ5Th1WmziQPoVy307aY0TW\|\|center\|Serge Gainsbourg - Lemon Incest\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRIOWZQs4Gg&list=PL3Yv36aUktyQ5Th1WmziQPoVy307aY0TW&index=5\|\|center\|Lecouna Cuban Boys - Tabou\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 13:33, 10 February 2025

2025-02-10T13:33:43Z

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Fractalguy: /* The Auto Ad Hominem */

2025-01-18T10:36:04Z

The Auto Ad Hominem

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	This tendency is part of the reason why the [[wiki]] format was chosen for its anonymity. The ideas presented should stand on their own, regardless of the credentials, experience, or shortcomings of its [[authors]]. The collaborative nature means that eventually few pages will even have a single [[Authors\|author]], which contributes to ad hominem resiliency.		This tendency is part of the reason why the [[wiki]] format was chosen for its anonymity. The ideas presented should stand on their own, regardless of the credentials, experience, or shortcomings of its [[authors]]. The collaborative nature means that eventually few pages will even have a single [[Authors\|author]], which contributes to ad hominem resiliency.

	In an era where privacy is no longer possible due to the sheer volume of personal [[information]] made available to the world, it is increasingly necessary for the [[culture]] to separate [[art]] and [[ideas]] from the worst things that its creator has ever done. In cases like this, notions like original sin and forgiveness can be a benefit. We have all done reprehensible things, and we all deserve an opportunity for redemption. Reinforcing this notion through [[social norms]] can go a long way towards providing a path for our most capable people to continue to contribute after their shortcomings have been exposed.		In an era where privacy is no longer possible due to the sheer volume of personal [[information]] made available to the world, it is increasingly necessary for the [[culture]] to separate [[art]] and [[ideas]] from the worst things that its creator has ever done. In cases like this, notions like original sin and forgiveness can be a benefit. We have all done reprehensible things, and we all deserve an opportunity for redemption. Reinforcing this notion through [[social norms]] can go a long way towards providing a path for our most capable people to continue to contribute after their shortcomings have been exposed. This also keeps them from joining forces with [[authoritarians]] and [[grifters]] due to spite and the need for a paycheck.

	== Taboos On The Tube ==		== Taboos On The Tube ==

Fractalguy: /* Eliminate the Offensive by Eliminating Offense */

2025-01-18T10:30:53Z

Eliminate the Offensive by Eliminating Offense

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	== Eliminate the Offensive by Eliminating Offense ==		== Eliminate the Offensive by Eliminating Offense ==
	What makes offensive material funny or [[outrageous]] is the transgression of taboos among those we consider an [[out-group]], especially one that is old, uptight, and out of touch. We laugh because of the real or imagined [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]] of those who would take offense. [[Traditionally]] this has taken the form of comedians mocking [[Conservatives\|conservative]] [[religious]] [[morality]], especially those that endorse [[racist]] and [[sexist]] views while being extremely uptight about [[sex]]. The new taboos against [[racism]] and [[sexism]] have led to a [[reactionary]] transgressive comedy against "politically correct" and later "woke" cultural norms enforced by [[progressives]]. This has proven to be a powerfully [[persuasive]] social and [[political]] force.		What makes offensive material funny or [[outrageous]] is the transgression of taboos among those we consider an [[out-group]], especially one that is old, uptight, and out of touch. We laugh because of the real or imagined [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]] of those who would take offense. [[Traditionally]] this has taken the form of [[comedians]] mocking [[Conservatives\|conservative]] [[religious]] [[morality]], especially those that endorse [[racist]] and [[sexist]] views while being extremely uptight about [[sex]]. The new taboos against [[racism]] and [[sexism]] have led to a [[reactionary]] transgressive [[comedy]] against "politically correct" and later "woke" cultural norms enforced by [[progressives]]. This has proven to be a powerfully [[persuasive]] social and [[political]] force.

	The problem with [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]] is that it's disingenuous. It exaggerates offense in order to maximize the embarrassment of the transgressor. It can easily be used to bully people who are simply young, ignorant, [[wikipedia:Neurodiversity\|neurodiverse]], or come from another [[culture]]. It's certainly not ''cool''.		The problem with [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]] is that it's disingenuous. It exaggerates offense in order to maximize the embarrassment of the transgressor. It can easily be used to bully people who are simply young, ignorant, [[wikipedia:Neurodiversity\|neurodiverse]], or come from another [[culture]]. It's certainly not ''cool''.

	Imagine a [[future]] where [https://medium.com/bouncin-and-behavin-blogs/nothing-is-true-everything-is-permitted-ff31979c7fc5 nothing is taboo; everything is permitted]. No words would be able to elicit our [[outrage]]. [[Trolls\|Those who try to do so]] will simply be ignored, not amplified by the [[algorithm]]. The crassness of our current [[culture]] will finally subside, as the deliberately offensive no longer [[Outrage\|outrages]] but annoys, indicating sad immaturity not the forces of evil. Using a racial slur to get a rise out of people is more childish than [[racist]]. Labeling it [[racist]] ostracizes those children and the next thing you know they are voting for a [[fascist]].		Imagine a [[future]] where [https://medium.com/bouncin-and-behavin-blogs/nothing-is-true-everything-is-permitted-ff31979c7fc5 nothing is taboo; everything is permitted]. No words would be able to elicit our [[outrage]]. [[Trolls\|Those who try to do so]] will simply be ignored, not amplified by the [[algorithm]]. The crassness of our current [[culture]] will finally subside, as the deliberately offensive no longer [[Outrage\|outrages]] but annoys, indicating sad immaturity, not the forces of evil. Using a racial slur to get a rise out of people is more childish than [[racist]]. Labeling it [[racist]] ostracizes those children and the next thing you know they are voting for a [[fascist]].

	Words are not offensive. [[Poverty]] in a [[wealthy]] nation is offensive. [[Death]] or bankruptcy from lack of [[healthcare]] in a [[wealthy]] nation is offensive. Destroying the [[environment]] to perpetuate [[capitalist]] oligarchy is offensive. [[Grift]] is offensive. [[War]] and [[genocide]] are offensive. [[Trolls]] should not be fed, and they hunger for your [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]]. If someone is deliberately taking a position or using [[language]] in order to cause [[outrage]], any that you give them is taken away from the oligarchs and [[grifters]] who truly deserve it.		[[Words]] are not offensive. [[Poverty]] in a [[wealthy]] nation is offensive. [[Death]] or bankruptcy from lack of [[healthcare]] in a [[wealthy]] nation is offensive. Destroying the [[environment]] to perpetuate [[capitalist]] [[wikipedia:Oligarchy\|oligarchy]] is offensive. [[Grift]] is offensive. [[War]] and [[genocide]] are offensive. [[Trolls]] should not be fed, and they hunger for your [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Pearl-clutching\|pearl-clutching]]. If someone is deliberately taking a position or using [[language]] in order to cause [[outrage]], any that you give them is taken away from the [[wikipedia:Oligarchy\|oligarchs]] and [[grifters]] who truly deserve it.

	== The Auto Ad Hominem ==		== The Auto Ad Hominem ==

Fractalguy: /* Is This Just Cancel Culture? */

2025-01-18T10:26:46Z

Is This Just Cancel Culture?

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	There needs to be a new consensus created to calm the cancel culture controversy.		There needs to be a new consensus created to calm the cancel culture controversy.

	This will require restoring [[trust]] through a taboo on the presumption of guilt to help eliminate the fear of false cancellation. It will also require an update to which norms are enforced by cancel culture (see above). If people realize that they can use cancel culture to prevent billionaires from avoiding [[taxes]], driving down wages, or [[grifting]] your grandparents, then they may see more utility and less fear of getting falsely accused.		This will require restoring [[trust]] through a taboo on the presumption of guilt to help eliminate the fear of false cancellation. It will also require an update to which norms are enforced by cancel culture (see above). If people realize that they can use cancel culture to prevent [[billionaires]] from avoiding [[taxes]], driving down wages, or [[grifting]] your grandparents, then they may see more utility and less fear of getting falsely accused.

	There must also be [[Justice#Enforcement of Social Norms\|fairness]] in the application of these norms and the resulting consequences, otherwise consensus will never be reached.		There must also be [[Justice#Enforcement of Social Norms\|fairness]] in the application of these norms and the resulting consequences, otherwise consensus will never be reached.

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	[[wikipedia:Taboo\|Taboos]] are the way that [[culture]] enforces [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] of behavior that may not be applicable to the [[legal]] system. The most common taboos throughout [[history]] revolve around our [[Sex\|sexual]] [[morality]], but they also include things [[like]] cannibalism and farting in an elevator.<blockquote>''What cannot be made [[illegal]] shall be made unbearably tacky.''</blockquote>This page refers to ''taboos'', but these could be any mechanism for the enforcement of norms outside the [[legal]] system.		[[wikipedia:Taboo\|Taboos]] are the way that [[culture]] enforces [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] of behavior that may not be applicable to the [[legal]] system. The most common taboos throughout [[history]] revolve around our [[Sex\|sexual]] [[morality]], but they also include things [[like]] cannibalism and farting in an elevator.<blockquote>''What cannot be made [[illegal]] shall be made unbearably tacky.''</blockquote>This page refers to ''taboos'', but these could be any mechanism for the enforcement of norms outside the [[legal]] system.

	If you want to learn how [[sociology]] distinguishes between folkways, morays, and [[wikipedia:Taboo\|taboos]] then watch the videos. In this [[wiki]], [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] tend to refer to folkways and informal morays, where taboos refer to [[social]] morays and taboos that are strongly disapproved of, but still typically enforced socially rather than [[legally]].		If you want to learn how [[sociology]] distinguishes between folkways, morays, and [[wikipedia:Taboo\|taboos]] then watch the videos. In this [[wiki]], [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]] tend to refer to folkways and informal morays, where taboos refer to [[social]] morays and taboos that are strongly disapproved of, but still typically enforced socially rather than [[legally]].

	== The Need for Modern Taboos ==		== The Need for Modern Taboos ==

	As [[belief]] and participation in [[religion]] declines, so has the ability to enforce taboos and other [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Social_norm social norms]. In many cases this is a [[good]] thing. The [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Sexual_revolution sexual revolution] freed us from many unnecessarily and debilitating taboos, allowing people who enjoy [[sex]] outside of procreation ([[everyone]]) to openly be themselves. However, there are some [[traditional]] taboos that have been lost that we are starting to miss.		In [[sociology]], [[wikipedia:Anomie\|anomie]] refers to the state of "normlessness" that results from the breakdown of [[moral]] standards in a [[culture]]. This condition is a key contributor to the crisis of [[meaning]] and the prevalence of [[grift]]. Shared [[values]] expressed through norms give us purpose, a sense of [[community]], and encourage [[ethical]] behavior that cannot be regulated through the [[legal]] system.

			As [[belief]] and participation in [[religion]] declines, so has the ability to enforce [[traditional]] taboos and other [[wikipedia:Social_norm\|social norms]]. In many cases this is a [[good]] thing. The [[wikipedia:Sexual_revolution\|sexual revolution]] freed us from many unnecessarily and debilitating taboos, allowing people who enjoy [[sex]] outside of procreation ([[everyone]]) to openly be themselves. However, there are some [[traditional]] taboos that have been lost that we are starting to miss.

	Losing the taboo on vulgarity has led to a proliferation of [[Outrage\|abusive]] and [[hateful]] [[language]] both on [[social media]] and in in the mainstream [[media]]. There has been a slow and steady increase in the use of vulgarity ever since the first ''shit'' hit the airwaves on [https://www.avclub.com/remembering-a-more-innocent-time-before-tv-became-a-shi-1822031575 NYPD Blue]. Though it has made TV dialog more realistic, it has not improved the level of discourse. A new taboo is needed to improve civility and focus on having [[reasoned]] [[debate]] on important topics instead of using vulgarity to evoke [[emotional]] outrage and clickbait quotes.		Losing the taboo on vulgarity has led to a proliferation of [[Outrage\|abusive]] and [[hateful]] [[language]] both on [[social media]] and in in the mainstream [[media]]. There has been a slow and steady increase in the use of vulgarity ever since the first ''shit'' hit the airwaves on [https://www.avclub.com/remembering-a-more-innocent-time-before-tv-became-a-shi-1822031575 NYPD Blue]. Though it has made TV dialog more realistic, it has not improved the level of discourse. A new taboo is needed to improve civility and focus on having [[reasoned]] [[debate]] on important topics instead of using vulgarity to evoke [[emotional]] outrage and clickbait quotes.