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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnABRPS37hk\|\|center\|Coheed and Cambria - The Suffering\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnABRPS37hk\|\|center\|Coheed and Cambria - The Suffering\|frame}}
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			A song about remaining [[optimistic]] in the face of suffering.
			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdOHPjMzY8s\|\|center\|The Smiths - The Boy With The Thorn In His Side\|frame}}

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing [[attention]] on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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Suffering in Poetry

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	== Suffering in Poetry ==		== Suffering in Poetry ==
	[[wikipedia:William_Blake\|William Blake's]] [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43650/auguries-of-innocence Auguries of Innocence] is an ode to the [[Connections\|interconnectedness]] of all beings and the ways that all [[conscious]] beings experience suffering.<blockquote>To see a world in a grain of sand		[[wikipedia:William_Blake\|William Blake's]] [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43650/auguries-of-innocence Auguries of Innocence] is an ode to the [[Connections\|interconnectedness]] of all beings and the ways that all [[conscious]] beings experience suffering.

			It should be noted that "To see the world in a grain of sand" is only possible if the [[universe]] is [[fractal]].<blockquote>To see a world in a grain of sand

	And a heaven in a wild flower,		And a heaven in a wild flower,

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3R0O_majlQ\|\|center\|How To Deal With Suffering In Your Life - Buddha\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3R0O_majlQ\|\|center\|How To Deal With Suffering In Your Life - Buddha\|frame}}

			== Suffering in Poetry ==
			[[wikipedia:William_Blake\|William Blake's]] [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43650/auguries-of-innocence Auguries of Innocence] is an ode to the [[Connections\|interconnectedness]] of all beings and the ways that all [[conscious]] beings experience suffering.<blockquote>To see a world in a grain of sand

			And a heaven in a wild flower,

			Hold infinity in the palm of your hand

			And eternity in an hour.


			A robin redbreast in a cage

			Puts all Heaven in a rage.

			A dove house fill'd with doves and pigeons

			Shudders Hell thro' all its regions.

			A dog starv'd at his master's gate

			Predicts the ruin of the state.

			A horse misus'd upon the road

			Calls to Heaven for human blood.

			Each outcry of the hunted hare

			A fibre from the brain does tear.

			A skylark wounded in the wing,

			A Cherubim does cease to sing.

			The game cock clipp'd and arm'd for fight

			Does the rising Sun affright.

			Every wolf's and lion's howl

			Raises from Hell a human soul.


			...


			He who respects the infant's faith

			Triumphs over Hell and Death.

			The child's toys and the old man's reasons

			Are the fruits of the two seasons.

			The questioner, who sits so sly,

			Shall never know how to reply.

			He who replies to words of doubt

			Doth put the light of Knowledge out.

			The strongest poison ever known

			Came from Caesar's laurel crown,

			Nought can deform the human race

			Like to the armour's iron brace.

			When gold and gems adorn the plow

			To peaceful arts shall Envy bow.

			A riddle or the cricket's cry

			Is to doubt a fit reply.

			The emmet's inch and eagle's mile

			Make lame Philosophy to smile.

			He who doubts from what he sees

			Will ne'er believe, do what you please.

			If the Sun and Moon should doubt,

			They'd immediately go out.

			To be in a passion you good may do,

			But no good if a passion is in you.

			The whore and gambler, by the state

			Licens'd, build that nation's fate.

			The harlot's cry from street to street,

			Shall weave Old England's winding sheet.

			The winner's shout, the loser's curse,

			Dance before dead England's hearse.

			Every night and every morn

			Some to misery are born.

			Every morn and every night

			Some are born to sweet delight.

			Some are born to sweet delight,

			Some are born to endless night.

			We are led to believe a lie

			When we see not thro' the eye

			Which was born in a night to perish in a night,

			When the Soul slept in beams of light.

			God appears and God is light

			To those poor souls who dwell in night,

			But does a human form display

			To those who dwell in realms of day.</blockquote>

	== Suffering in Music ==		== Suffering in Music ==

Fractalguy: pain and suffering

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pain and suffering

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	[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]		[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]
	Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]] of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a [[meaning]] in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and [[death]]. Without suffering and [[death]], human [[life]] cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].		Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]] of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a [[meaning]] in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and [[death]]. Without suffering and [[death]], human [[life]] cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].

			== Pain and Suffering ==
			Modern [[society]] has significantly reduced the amount of pain the average person experiences in their [[life]]. Despite this fact, our suffering appears to be greater than it has ever been, judging by rates of depression and other [[mental]] maladies. The lack of pain is ironically the cause of the increased suffering, since many of us are not forced to build [[wikipedia:Psychological_resilience\|resilience]] in our idyllic childhoods where [[parents]] remove all obstacles in the name of [[safety]]. Lacking the [[experience]] of pain, we fail to develop the [[psychological]] techniques to deal with pain in a [[healthy]] and productive way. When [[life]] [[Inevitability\|inevitably]] happens, it creates enough suffering to warrant an entry in the [[wikipedia:Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders\|DSM]].

			There are many [[cultural]] issues that [[play]] into this. [[Religion]] provides [[rituals]] and [[beliefs]] that help us deal with suffering. Fewer and fewer people are being taught these techniques, and [[cognitive dissonance]] due to conflicts with the modern [[scientific]] [[worldview]] can reduce their efficacy. Those who are not taught a system to deal with suffering are left to create their own, which many fail to do.

	== Suffering in Religion ==		== Suffering in Religion ==

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Suffering in Religion

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering.<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering.<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

Fractalguy: links

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links

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	[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]		[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]
	Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] happiness of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a meaning in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and death. Without suffering and death, human life cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].		Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]] of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a [[meaning]] in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and [[death]]. Without suffering and [[death]], human [[life]] cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and just need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	== Suffering in Religion ==		== Suffering in Religion ==

	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	The Christian [[manifestation]] of ~~this~~ focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom."		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and just need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	== Suffering in Religion ==		== Suffering in Religion ==

	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].

	The Christian [[manifestation]] of this focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom."		The Christian [[manifestation]] of this focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom."

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing [[attention]] on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering.<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering (it's all so [[meta]]).<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]]. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]]. It can also lead to unnecessary [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], since focusing attention on suffering can intensify it. Looking back at your [[life]] from the [[perspective]] of suffering can sometimes frame events in a negative context, when a [[positive]] [[perspective]] could be equally valid. Our thinking and attachment to suffering also causes suffering.<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].

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	[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]		[[File:Suffering-succotash-omg-wtf-has-ai-done.jpeg\|thumb\|The [[AI]] prompt was "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg Suffering Succotash]"]]
	Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] happiness of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a meaning in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and death. Without suffering and death, human life cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].		Eliminating suffering has the biggest impact on [[utilitarian]] [[happiness]] of any other change you can make. <blockquote>''"If there is a [[meaning]] in life at all, then there must be a meaning in suffering. Suffering is an ineradicable part of life, even as fate and [[death]]. Without suffering and [[death]], human [[life]] cannot be complete."'' -[[wikipedia:Viktor_Frankl\|Viktor E. Frankl]]</blockquote>Due to [[wikipedia:Habituation\|habituation]] and the [[wikipedia:Hedonic_treadmill\|hedonic treadmill]], you can only get marginally [[happier]] for some time before you go back to your baseline. However, there can be no end to suffering for those who are starving, lack shelter, have debilitating illnesses with chronic pain, or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM unexpectedly find themselves the target of a Spanish Inquisition].

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	In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].		In many [[religions]], but especially [[Buddhism]], the focus is more on the elimination of suffering rather than the increasing of [[happiness]]. This reflects the [[nature]] of [[life]] at the [[time]] when these [[religions]] were created. There are many reasons why ancient [[life]] had so much more suffering, but the fact that the average person could expect to see the [[Death\|deaths]] of multiple [[children]] during their lifetimes should be sufficient [[evidence]].

	Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and just need help getting to the top.		Modern [[life]] still has suffering, and reducing it is the fastest way to increase [[utilitarian]] happiness. However, focusing exclusively on eliminating suffering is insufficient when the average person experiences relatively little trauma, has [[Freedom\|free]] [[time]], and [[Money\|disposable income]].<blockquote>''"A problem cannot cause suffering. It is our thinking and attachment to it that causes suffering."'' -[[wikipedia:The_Buddha\|Buddha]]</blockquote>The Christian [[manifestation]] of suffering focuses on the wretchedness, sinfulness, guilt and shame of the believer. While the intent is to be welcoming to all, even those who are at their lowest point in [[life]], the message often fails to connect with those who don't see themselves as wretched. Most modern people have pretty [[good]] lives and, while we all have highs and lows, many of us can go through [[life]] without ever hitting "rock bottom." Helping those at their lowest is the most important thing, but the vast majority people live in the "spongy middle" and [[just]] need help getting to the top.

	The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].		The [[wikipedia:Noble_Eightfold_Path\|Eightfold Path]] is the [[Buddhist]] practice designed to eliminate suffering in the [[mind]] through [[mindfulness]] practice, mixed with some [[wikipedia:Ten_Commandments\|Ten Commandments]] style advice. A significant amount of suffering is self-imposed by the [[mind]], and [[mindfulness]] practices can help eliminate [[wikipedia:Rumination_(psychology)\|rumination]], [[wikipedia:Desire\|desire]], and other thought-loops that exacerbate negative [[emotions]].