Short Term Rewards and Long Term Consequences - Revision history

Fractalguy at 11:41, 7 July 2025

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	[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|[[wikipedia:Stanford_marshmallow_experiment\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]]]		[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|[[wikipedia:Stanford_marshmallow_experiment\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]]]
	Extensive study has been made in [[psychology]] that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.		Extensive study has been made in [[psychology]] that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.<blockquote>''"Delaying gratification is a process of scheduling the pain and pleasure of life in such a way as to enhance the pleasure by meeting and experiencing the pain first and getting it over with. It is the only decent way to live."'' -[[wikipedia:M._Scott_Peck\|M. Scott Peck]]</blockquote>[[Morality]] has the notion of [[temptation]] as a central theme, and their rules are designed to create conditions and [[incentives]] that avoid them.

	[[Morality]] has the notion of [[temptation]] as a central theme, and their rules are designed to create conditions and [[incentives]] that avoid them.

	As such it should be a well-understood by anyone with a [[brain]] if they would like to operate it with any degree of proficiency.		As such it should be a well-understood by anyone with a [[brain]] if they would like to operate it with any degree of proficiency.

	[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. ~~With~~ [[Temptation]] you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative [[consequences]] in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.		== Temptation and Delayed Gratification ==
			[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. When resisting [[Temptation]], you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative [[consequences]] in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.

	The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

			== Marshmallow Nuance ==
	[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-marshmallow-test-gets-more-complicated-73835934/ Further research on the marshmallow test] has shown that how much the child [[Trust\|trusts]] the person who promises to come back later with two marshmallows make a big difference in whether they eat the marshmallow or not. Children who lack [[trust]] due to high [[wikipedia:Adverse_childhood_experiences\|ACE]] simply don't believe that the researcher is going to follow through on their promise. This doesn't negate the findings regarding delayed gratification, but it does require more nuance when interpreting the experimental results.		[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-marshmallow-test-gets-more-complicated-73835934/ Further research on the marshmallow test] has shown that how much the child [[Trust\|trusts]] the person who promises to come back later with two marshmallows make a big difference in whether they eat the marshmallow or not. Children who lack [[trust]] due to high [[wikipedia:Adverse_childhood_experiences\|ACE]] simply don't believe that the researcher is going to follow through on their promise. This doesn't negate the findings regarding delayed gratification, but it does require more nuance when interpreting the experimental results.

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	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]

	Related to this is the [[concept]] that our most difficult experiences tend to be the most [[meaningful]]. Our [[brains]] gives us a ton of [[happiness]] when we push ourselves to our limit and discover an ability to persevere and accomplish things we thought were impossible. Even though the experience of accomplishing may be painful, the sense of accomplishment lasts a lifetime.		== Short Term Pain and Long Term Rewards ==
			Related to this is the [[concept]] that our most difficult experiences tend to be the most [[meaningful]]. Our [[brains]] gives us a ton of [[happiness]] when we push ourselves to our limit and discover an ability to persevere and accomplish things we thought were impossible. Even though the experience of accomplishing may be [[painful]], the sense of accomplishment lasts a [[lifetime]]. Learning to pursue challenging goals in pursuit of greater long-term rewards depends on the same [[neural]] circuitry as [[Delayed Gratification\|delayed gratification]]. See [[types of fun]].

	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/doing-it-the-hard-way/ Hidden Brain - Doing It the Hard Way]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/doing-it-the-hard-way/ Hidden Brain - Doing It the Hard Way]
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|Why Delayed Gratification Is The Key To Success\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|Why Delayed Gratification Is The Key To Success\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|Vulfpeck - Wait for the Moment\|frame}}		== Tempting Music ==
			[[Music\|Musicians]] are excellent examples of delayed gratification. They toil away for years playing scales over and over in order to receive the massive accolades that come when your virtuosity is recognized.{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|Vulfpeck - Wait for the Moment\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 10:09, 18 June 2025

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	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]

			Related to this is the [[concept]] that our most difficult experiences tend to be the most [[meaningful]]. Our [[brains]] gives us a ton of [[happiness]] when we push ourselves to our limit and discover an ability to persevere and accomplish things we thought were impossible. Even though the experience of accomplishing may be painful, the sense of accomplishment lasts a lifetime.

	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/doing-it-the-hard-way/ Hidden Brain - Doing It the Hard Way]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/doing-it-the-hard-way/ Hidden Brain - Doing It the Hard Way]

Fractalguy at 01:35, 18 June 2025

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	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]

			[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/doing-it-the-hard-way/ Hidden Brain - Doing It the Hard Way]

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 14:00, 10 March 2025

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	The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

			[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-marshmallow-test-gets-more-complicated-73835934/ Further research on the marshmallow test] has shown that how much the child [[Trust\|trusts]] the person who promises to come back later with two marshmallows make a big difference in whether they eat the marshmallow or not. Children who lack [[trust]] due to high [[wikipedia:Adverse_childhood_experiences\|ACE]] simply don't believe that the researcher is going to follow through on their promise. This doesn't negate the findings regarding delayed gratification, but it does require more nuance when interpreting the experimental results.

	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-to-eat-the-marshmallow/ Hidden Brain - When to Eat the Marshmallow]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-to-eat-the-marshmallow/ Hidden Brain - When to Eat the Marshmallow]

Fractalguy at 22:13, 17 December 2024

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	[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]		[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|[[wikipedia:Stanford_marshmallow_experiment\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]]]
	Extensive study has been made in [[psychology]] that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.		Extensive study has been made in [[psychology]] that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.

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	As such it should be a well-understood by anyone with a [[brain]] if they would like to operate it with any degree of proficiency.		As such it should be a well-understood by anyone with a [[brain]] if they would like to operate it with any degree of proficiency.

	[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. With [[Temptation]] you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative consequences in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.		[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. With [[Temptation]] you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative [[consequences]] in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.

	The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

Fractalguy at 16:49, 12 June 2024

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	[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]		[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]
	Extensive study has been made in psychology that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.		Extensive study has been made in [[psychology]] that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.

	[[Morality]] has the notion of [[temptation]] as a central theme, and their rules are designed to create conditions and [[incentives]] that avoid them.		[[Morality]] has the notion of [[temptation]] as a central theme, and their rules are designed to create conditions and [[incentives]] that avoid them.

Fractalguy at 16:48, 12 June 2024

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	[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-to-eat-the-marshmallow/ Hidden Brain - When to Eat the Marshmallow]		[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-to-eat-the-marshmallow/ Hidden Brain - When to Eat the Marshmallow]

			[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/you-but-better/ Hidden Brain - You, But Better]

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 15:45, 12 June 2024

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	The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

			[https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/when-to-eat-the-marshmallow/ Hidden Brain - When to Eat the Marshmallow]

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 00:44, 25 January 2024

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			[[File:Short-term-rewards-marshmallow-test-instant-gratification.jpg\|thumb\|Delayed gratification yields more marshmallows]]
	Extensive study has been made in psychology that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.		Extensive study has been made in psychology that shows the importance of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification delayed gratification] in cognitive health.

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	[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. With [[Temptation]] you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative consequences in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.		[[Temptation]] and [[Delayed Gratification]] are two sides to the same coin. With [[Temptation]] you eschew short-term pleasure to avoid negative consequences in the [[future]] (usually [[addiction]]). With [[Delayed Gratification]] you do the same in order to obtain a greater reward.

	The [[~~crypto~~-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[Crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 00:40, 25 January 2024

2024-01-25T00:40:45Z

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	The [[crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|Why Delayed Gratification Is The Key To Success\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|Vulfpeck - Wait for the Moment\|frame}}

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	The [[crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.		The [[crypto-bros\|manosphere]] is rather obsessed with this topic so if you research it on [[social media]] be careful not to go down the wrong rabbit hole.

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voF8B-Jr0mA\|\|center\|The Marshmallow Test and Why We Want Instant Gratification\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAfPcvltxs\|\|center\|Why Delayed Gratification Is The Key To Success\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9ObPeoCwQ\|\|center\|Vulfpeck - Wait for the Moment\|frame}}