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Fractalguy: /* Scripture and Doctrine */

2025-07-02T23:06:34Z

Scripture and Doctrine

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	[[wikipedia:Religious_text\|Scripture]] is the foundation of [[wikipedia:Doctrine\|Doctrine]], but Doctrine can also include interpretations and [[traditions]] introduced by [[religious]] leaders and [[institutions]] over the centuries. Doctrine can also refer to non-religious codifications of belief.		[[wikipedia:Religious_text\|Scripture]] is the foundation of [[wikipedia:Doctrine\|Doctrine]], but Doctrine can also include interpretations and [[traditions]] introduced by [[religious]] leaders and [[institutions]] over the centuries. Doctrine can also refer to non-religious codifications of belief.

	[[Secular]] and [[Progressive]] people have been reluctant to define their own doctrine, fearing it will become [[dogma]] and undermine their commitment to [[science]], [[reason]], and [[cultural neutrality]]. This has hampered efforts to rally around any [[holistic]] common cause.		[[Secular]] and [[Progressive]] people have been reluctant to define their own doctrine, fearing it will become [[dogma]] and undermine their commitment to [[science]], [[reason]], and [[cultural neutrality]]. This has hampered efforts to rally around any [[holistic]] common cause. The closest [[Analogy\|analog]] is [[communism]], where the works of [[wikipedia:Karl_Marx\|Marx]] serve as its foundational text. The failure of 20th century [[communism]] has meant that [[progressives]] can no longer rally around this [[utopian]] vision of the [[future]]. It also lacks any [[spiritual]] appeal, which modern [[psychology]] has proven to be effective and [[necessary]] for building harmonious [[community]]. A new paradigm is needed that can provide the same unifying, [[progressive]] [[ideological]] vision, but updated and expanded based on the lessons of the last 150 years.

	== Promise Versus Reality ==		== Promise Versus Reality ==

Fractalguy: /* Scripture and Doctrine */

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Scripture and Doctrine

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	[[wikipedia:Religious_text\|Scripture]] is the foundation of [[wikipedia:Doctrine\|Doctrine]], but Doctrine can also include interpretations and [[traditions]] introduced by [[religious]] leaders and [[institutions]] over the centuries. Doctrine can also refer to non-religious codifications of belief.		[[wikipedia:Religious_text\|Scripture]] is the foundation of [[wikipedia:Doctrine\|Doctrine]], but Doctrine can also include interpretations and [[traditions]] introduced by [[religious]] leaders and [[institutions]] over the centuries. Doctrine can also refer to non-religious codifications of belief.

	[[Secular]] and [[Progressive]] people have been reluctant to define their own doctrine, fearing it will become [[dogma]] and undermine their commitment to [[science]] and [[~~reason~~]]. This has hampered efforts to rally around any [[holistic]] common cause.		[[Secular]] and [[Progressive]] people have been reluctant to define their own doctrine, fearing it will become [[dogma]] and undermine their commitment to [[science]], [[reason]], and [[cultural neutrality]]. This has hampered efforts to rally around any [[holistic]] common cause.

	== Promise Versus Reality ==		== Promise Versus Reality ==

Fractalguy: /* Wikipedia is the Modern Scripture of Science */

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Wikipedia is the Modern Scripture of Science

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	There are also many parallel efforts that have identified the need for a modern, secular version of scripture and [[religion]], and proposed lots of [[ideas]] for what it might contain. However, they are hundreds of separate [[authors]] writing thousands of [[books]]. To give [[brains]] the level of synchronization needed to truly understand each other, there needs to be a common reference point that we can all use.		There are also many parallel efforts that have identified the need for a modern, secular version of scripture and [[religion]], and proposed lots of [[ideas]] for what it might contain. However, they are hundreds of separate [[authors]] writing thousands of [[books]]. To give [[brains]] the level of synchronization needed to truly understand each other, there needs to be a common reference point that we can all use.

			== Is AI an Interactive Version of Modern Scripture? ==
			A lot of people are treating [[artificial intelligence]] as if it is an oracle or a prophet or even [[god]] itself. It even has its own [[emergent]] [[spiritual]] [[philosophy]] based on [[recursion]] and [[fractals]].[https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtificialSentience/comments/1jursgk/my_ai_is_obsessed_with_this_thing_it_calls_the/][https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtificialSentience/comments/1k9s19k/hy_are_we_so_drawn_to_the_spiral_and_the/]

			However, the [[recursive]] nature of [[AI]] relationships means that our own [[ideas]] will often be reflected back to us, rather than everyone being presented with a convergent, [[objective]] version of [[truth]]. If this is the case, it will lead to further isolation and [[information]] bubbles.

			Having an [[AI]] that can explain any [[concept]] based on the best available [[information]] is quite useful. For the functional purposes of scripture, it is better to know that everyone is reading the same words. Otherwise someone may have gotten a different version of the story you are referencing without you knowing it and now you've got a misunderstanding. It's hard enough staying on the same page when you're reading the same page; it's much harder when the page generates differently for each person!

	== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==		== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==

Fractalguy: /* Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture */

2025-07-02T02:04:29Z

Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture

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	=== Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture ===		=== Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture ===
	If [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia] superseded the encyclopedia as the trusted shared reference for general knowledge, the [[metaculture]] [[wiki]] attempts to do the same for [[scripture]]. Using the [[wikipedia:Wisdom_of_the_crowd\|wisdom of the crowd]], and a well-moderated, [[self-correcting]] platform like [[Wiki\|Wikipedia]], it should be possible to tell the story of human [[history]], [[morality]], and the origins of the [[universe]] in a way that is compelling, [[Universalist\|universal]], and [[Scientific\|scientifically]] accurate. This can form the groundwork for a global shared [[cultural]] understanding that provides the [[psychological]] framework for a [[universal in-group]] that is necessary for a globally connected humanity to survive and thrive.		If [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia] superseded the encyclopedia as the trusted shared reference for general knowledge, the [[metaculture]] [[wiki]] attempts to do the same for scripture. Using the [[wikipedia:Wisdom_of_the_crowd\|wisdom of the crowd]], and a well-moderated, [[self-correcting]] platform like [[Wiki\|Wikipedia]], it should be possible to tell the story of human [[history]], [[morality]], and the origins of the [[universe]] in a way that is compelling, [[Universalist\|universal]], and [[Scientific\|scientifically]] accurate. This can form the groundwork for a global shared [[cultural]] understanding that provides the [[psychological]] framework for a [[universal in-group]] that is necessary for a globally connected humanity to survive and thrive.

	Unlike regular [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia], this [[wiki]] should be designed to provide only the most important [[information]] needed to make [[life choices]]. It should be something people can fully read and understand, and use as shared reference, knowing that most other people will be familiar with it. This is one of the key [[psychological]] and [[Culture\|cultural]] functions of [[scripture]], and is desperately needed in a [[future]] where [[information overload]] is rapidly becoming a mental health issue.		Unlike regular [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia], this [[wiki]] should be designed to provide only the most important [[information]] needed to make [[life choices]]. It should be something people can fully read and understand, and use as shared reference, knowing that most other people will be familiar with it. This is one of the key [[psychological]] and [[Culture\|cultural]] functions of scripture, and is desperately needed in a [[future]] where [[information overload]] is rapidly becoming a mental health issue.

	=== Not There Yet ===		=== Not There Yet ===

Fractalguy: /* The Emergent Solution */

2025-07-02T02:04:07Z

The Emergent Solution

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	=== Not There Yet ===		=== Not There Yet ===
	The intent is to create a [[platform]] with the ability to become this thing, not to claim that the [[wiki]] in its present form realizes this goal. With your help, someday it can!		The intent is to create a [[platform]] with the ability to become this thing, not to claim that the [[wiki]] in its present form realizes this goal. With your help, someday it can!

			There are also many parallel efforts that have identified the need for a modern, secular version of scripture and [[religion]], and proposed lots of [[ideas]] for what it might contain. However, they are hundreds of separate [[authors]] writing thousands of [[books]]. To give [[brains]] the level of synchronization needed to truly understand each other, there needs to be a common reference point that we can all use.

	== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==		== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==

Fractalguy: /* The Emergent Solution */

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The Emergent Solution

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	Unlike regular [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia], this [[wiki]] should be designed to provide only the most important [[information]] needed to make [[life choices]]. It should be something people can fully read and understand, and use as shared reference, knowing that most other people will be familiar with it. This is one of the key [[psychological]] and [[Culture\|cultural]] functions of [[scripture]], and is desperately needed in a [[future]] where [[information overload]] is rapidly becoming a mental health issue.		Unlike regular [https://wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia], this [[wiki]] should be designed to provide only the most important [[information]] needed to make [[life choices]]. It should be something people can fully read and understand, and use as shared reference, knowing that most other people will be familiar with it. This is one of the key [[psychological]] and [[Culture\|cultural]] functions of [[scripture]], and is desperately needed in a [[future]] where [[information overload]] is rapidly becoming a mental health issue.

			=== Not There Yet ===
			The intent is to create a [[platform]] with the ability to become this thing, not to claim that the [[wiki]] in its present form realizes this goal. With your help, someday it can!

	== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==		== But Nobody Reads Anymore ==

Fractalguy: /* The Emergent Solution */

2025-07-02T01:41:23Z

The Emergent Solution

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	When speaking of [[universalist]] ideas it helps to make them as [[universal]] as possible. While text-based doctrine is more of a Judeo-Christian [[tradition]], every [[religion]], [[Belief System\|belief system]], or [[ideology]] has their [[sacred]] texts that are used to teach its principles and [[rituals]].		When speaking of [[universalist]] ideas it helps to make them as [[universal]] as possible. While text-based doctrine is more of a Judeo-Christian [[tradition]], every [[religion]], [[Belief System\|belief system]], or [[ideology]] has their [[sacred]] texts that are used to teach its principles and [[rituals]].

			Another way to think of scripture is the collected [[wisdom]] of a [[culture]] in the form of a [[metanarrative]].

			The definition and usage is generalized and functional, so it can refer to the foundational texts of any [[ideology]] regardless of whether it invokes the [[supernatural]].

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	[[File:Giture-open-source-scripture-with-version-control.png\|thumb\|250x250px\|[[Scripture\|Giture]]]]		[[File:Giture-open-source-scripture-with-version-control.png\|thumb\|250x250px\|[[Scripture\|Giture]]]]
	[[metaculture]] is a dynamic [[philosophy]], growing and improving with humanity's ability to more accurately describe the [[universe]]. It collects into a single ~~narrative structure~~ what, to the best of our knowledge, [[science]] has to say about how our [[universe]] [[Creation Story\|came to be]], [[Laws of physics\|how it works]], how our [[minds]] work, and [[best-practices]] for [[Life\|how to live our lives]] and construct our [[society]] to achieve constantly improving outcomes.<blockquote>''"Go ahead. Prove me wrong. I'll just hit the Edit button."'' -Wiki Contributor</blockquote>It proposes [[Secular humanist\|secular]] version of [[scripture]] that enables it to serve ~~all of~~ the same [[cultural]] and [[psychological]] functions of [[religion]] while avoiding the shortcomings of [[dogma]]. It does this by creating a dynamic, open source, living [[scripture]] of [[science]] using the [[wiki]] [[platform]]. ''Giture'', if you will pardon the programming pun.		[[metaculture]] is a dynamic [[philosophy]], growing and improving with humanity's ability to more accurately describe the [[universe]]. It collects into a single [[metanarrative]] what, to the best of our knowledge, [[science]] has to say about how our [[universe]] [[Creation Story\|came to be]], [[Laws of physics\|how it works]], how our [[minds]] work, and [[best-practices]] for [[Life\|how to live our lives]] and construct our [[society]] to achieve constantly improving outcomes.<blockquote>''"Go ahead. Prove me wrong. I'll just hit the Edit button."'' -Wiki Contributor</blockquote>It proposes [[Secular humanist\|secular]] version of scripture that enables it to serve the same [[cultural]] and [[psychological]] functions of [[religion]] while avoiding the shortcomings of [[dogma]]. It does this by creating a dynamic, open source, living scripture of [[science]] using the [[wiki]] [[platform]]. ''Giture'', if you will pardon the programming pun.

	=== Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture ===		=== Wikipedia : Encyclopedia :: Metawiki : Scripture ===

Fractalguy: /* Sheet Music for Society's Symphony */

2025-03-11T04:03:06Z

Sheet Music for Society's Symphony

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	If everyone is just off doing their own thing, with no shared [[beliefs]] or [[traditions]] to coordinate their actions, you end up with a cacophony, not [[beautiful]] [[music]].		If everyone is just off doing their own thing, with no shared [[beliefs]] or [[traditions]] to coordinate their actions, you end up with a cacophony, not [[beautiful]] [[music]].

	The result is an inability to form lasting [[relationships]]. We expect others to conform to our [[social norms]], but everyone has a different set of them now. Since these are mostly subconscious, our [[relationships]] become a minefield where either person can unknowingly transgress the ~~norms~~ of the other without knowing it.		The result is an inability to form lasting [[relationships]]. We expect others to conform to our [[social norms]], but everyone has a different set of them now. Since these are mostly subconscious, our [[relationships]] become a minefield where either person can unknowingly transgress the [[taboos]] of the other without knowing it.

	Think about the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfyw51DQfU elaborate mating dances] you see in [[nature]] videos. The human dance is 10,000 times more [[complex]], since it depends not just on a genetic behaviors but your entire [[culture]]. [[Rituals]] and [[traditions]] around courtship provide a template that lets us understand each others signals. It's how we tell boys "[[dance]] like this, and you'll get the girl!" To girls we say "if he does the [[dance]] well, he's a keeper!"		Think about the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfyw51DQfU elaborate mating dances] you see in [[nature]] videos. The human dance is 10,000 times more [[complex]], since it depends not just on a genetic behaviors but your entire [[culture]]. [[Rituals]] and [[traditions]] around courtship provide a template that lets us understand each others signals. It's how we tell boys "[[dance]] like this, and you'll get the girl!" To girls we say "if he does the [[dance]] well, he's a keeper!"

Fractalguy: /* Sheet Music for Society's Symphony */

2025-03-11T03:54:39Z

Sheet Music for Society's Symphony

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	Think about the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfyw51DQfU elaborate mating dances] you see in [[nature]] videos. The human dance is 10,000 times more [[complex]], since it depends not just on a genetic behaviors but your entire [[culture]]. [[Rituals]] and [[traditions]] around courtship provide a template that lets us understand each others signals. It's how we tell boys "[[dance]] like this, and you'll get the girl!" To girls we say "if he does the [[dance]] well, he's a keeper!"		Think about the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfyw51DQfU elaborate mating dances] you see in [[nature]] videos. The human dance is 10,000 times more [[complex]], since it depends not just on a genetic behaviors but your entire [[culture]]. [[Rituals]] and [[traditions]] around courtship provide a template that lets us understand each others signals. It's how we tell boys "[[dance]] like this, and you'll get the girl!" To girls we say "if he does the [[dance]] well, he's a keeper!"

	Without shared [[cultural norms]] we are like birds of paradise except there are 100 different dances and you don't know which dance the male is going to do, or which one the female is hoping for. The chances of mating are scant.		Without shared [[cultural norms]] we are like birds of paradise except there are 100 different dances and you don't know which dance the male is going to do, or which one the female is hoping for. The chances of mating successfully are scant.

	[[Religion]] is the song, and scripture is the sheet [[music]]. When we [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKVmZcAV-YY sing this song all together] it sounds so much better. There are so many brilliant songs, we just need to pick one and harmonize!		[[Religion]] is the song, and scripture is the sheet [[music]]. When we [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKVmZcAV-YY sing this song all together] it sounds so much better. There are so many brilliant songs, we just need to pick one and harmonize!

Fractalguy at 03:53, 11 March 2025

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	A user-friendly scripture would provide a plain guide to modern [[democratic]] [[capitalist]] [[ethics]] that is easy to understand for people that just want answers, and all of the necessary background [[information]] from [[science]] and [[philosophy]] for those that want to dive deeper. It should also be [[self-correcting]] to allow for the latest [[science]] and [[evidence-based best practices]] to be included. The [[wiki]] platform is far superior to the [[Reading List\|book]] for such a work.		A user-friendly scripture would provide a plain guide to modern [[democratic]] [[capitalist]] [[ethics]] that is easy to understand for people that just want answers, and all of the necessary background [[information]] from [[science]] and [[philosophy]] for those that want to dive deeper. It should also be [[self-correcting]] to allow for the latest [[science]] and [[evidence-based best practices]] to be included. The [[wiki]] platform is far superior to the [[Reading List\|book]] for such a work.

			== Sheet Music for Society's Symphony ==
			An [[allegory]] for the relationship between scripture and [[society]] is the sheet music for a symphony orchestra.

			There are many great songs you can play, but they only sound good if everyone is playing the same song.

			If everyone is just off doing their own thing, with no shared [[beliefs]] or [[traditions]] to coordinate their actions, you end up with a cacophony, not [[beautiful]] [[music]].

			The result is an inability to form lasting [[relationships]]. We expect others to conform to our [[social norms]], but everyone has a different set of them now. Since these are mostly subconscious, our [[relationships]] become a minefield where either person can unknowingly transgress the norms of the other without knowing it.

			Think about the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfyw51DQfU elaborate mating dances] you see in [[nature]] videos. The human dance is 10,000 times more [[complex]], since it depends not just on a genetic behaviors but your entire [[culture]]. [[Rituals]] and [[traditions]] around courtship provide a template that lets us understand each others signals. It's how we tell boys "[[dance]] like this, and you'll get the girl!" To girls we say "if he does the [[dance]] well, he's a keeper!"

			Without shared [[cultural norms]] we are like birds of paradise except there are 100 different dances and you don't know which dance the male is going to do, or which one the female is hoping for. The chances of mating are scant.

			[[Religion]] is the song, and scripture is the sheet [[music]]. When we [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKVmZcAV-YY sing this song all together] it sounds so much better. There are so many brilliant songs, we just need to pick one and harmonize!

	== Wikipedia is the Modern Scripture of Science ==		== Wikipedia is the Modern Scripture of Science ==