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Fractalguy: /* Sure, There is Plenty of Food... */

2025-12-23T15:58:14Z

Sure, There is Plenty of Food...

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	== Sure, There is Plenty of Food... ==		== Sure, There is Plenty of Food... ==
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	Yes, we we grow enough food right now to feed a population nearly 20% larger than our current one. Good for us!		Yes, we we grow enough food right now to feed a population nearly 20% larger than our current one. Good for us!

Fractalguy: /* Quality of Life Issues */

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Quality of Life Issues

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	== Quality of Life Issues ==		== Quality of Life Issues ==
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	The [[quality of life]] issues surrounding population are rarely part of the discussion. There is only so much land available to live on if we still want to have a [[nature]]. Everyone wants to obtain the same standard of living now enjoyed by the richest 1%. This cannot be done [[sustainably]] with a growing population, or even the current one. And humans will stubbornly resist any attempts to enforce [[economic]] changes that reduce their [[quality of life]].		The [[quality of life]] issues surrounding population are rarely part of the discussion. There is only so much land available to live on if we still want to have a [[nature]]. Everyone wants to obtain the same standard of living now enjoyed by the richest 1%. This cannot be done [[sustainably]] with a growing population, or even the current one. And humans will stubbornly resist any attempts to enforce [[economic]] changes that reduce their [[quality of life]].

	[https://www.stafforini.com/docs/parfit_-_overpopulation_and_the_quality_of_life.pdf This analysis by Derek Parfit] is one of the most referenced articles specifically addressing the [[quality of life]] concerns surrounding population. It is also a great demonstration of [[utilitarian]] [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Ethical_calculus ethical calculus] and the problems with counting [[theoretical people]].		[https://www.stafforini.com/docs/parfit_-_overpopulation_and_the_quality_of_life.pdf This analysis by Derek Parfit] is one of the most referenced articles specifically addressing the [[quality of life]] concerns surrounding population. It is also a great demonstration of [[utilitarian]] [[wikipedia:Ethical_calculus\|ethical calculus]] and the problems with counting [[theoretical people]].

	Too many [[environmental]] organizations give the appearance that to avoid accusations of [[racism]] the white, western countries should lower their standard of living to something that would be sustainable if all 8 billion people achieved that standard. While this solution is exceedingly [[Justice\|fair]], it is also a [[political]] impossibility. There are simply too many people who will never voluntarily lower their standard of living. And in this case too many is very nearly everyone. Standard of living either goes up, or you go to [[war]].		Too many [[environmental]] organizations give the appearance that to avoid accusations of [[racism]] the white, western countries should lower their standard of living to something that would be sustainable if all 8 billion people achieved that standard. While this solution is exceedingly [[Justice\|fair]], it is also a [[political]] impossibility. There are simply too many people who will never voluntarily lower their standard of living. And in this case too many is very nearly everyone. Standard of living either goes up, or you go to [[war]].

Fractalguy: /* Sure, There is Plenty of Food... */

2025-07-25T16:37:53Z

Sure, There is Plenty of Food...

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	Yes, we we grow enough food right now to feed a population nearly 20% larger than our current one. Good for us!		Yes, we we grow enough food right now to feed a population nearly 20% larger than our current one. Good for us!

	However, food is not the only resource. There are a million things that must be mined, grown, caught, or otherwise removed from the environment to produce all of the things that go into a modern [[capitalist]] [[society]]. Only so many of these things are renewable, and only so many of the renewables are being used [[sustainably]]. We may or may not be able to use [[technology]] to find alternatives. We're going to run out of many things faster and have less time to find alternatives the higher the population.		However, food is not the only resource. There are a million things that must be mined, grown, caught, or otherwise removed from the [[environment]] to produce all of the things that go into a modern [[capitalist]] [[society]]. Only so many of these things are renewable, and only so many of the renewables are being used [[sustainably]]. We may or may not be able to use [[technology]] to find alternatives. We're going to run out of many things faster and have less time to find alternatives the higher the population.

	Then there is the value of [[nature]] and [[natural]] spaces, and the existence of other species besides us and our [[food]]. Even if [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_farming vertical farming] allows us to stop turning more and more [[Nature\|wild areas]] into farms, without a stable population the land will be used for housing, transportation, resource mining, or other human purposes, further diminishing the space available for [[nature]].		Then there is the value of [[nature]] and [[natural]] spaces, and the existence of other species besides us and our [[food]]. Even if [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_farming vertical farming] allows us to stop turning more and more [[Nature\|wild areas]] into farms, without a stable population the land will be used for housing, transportation, resource mining, or other human purposes, further diminishing the space available for [[nature]].

Fractalguy: /* Too Many Puppies */

2025-07-25T16:34:38Z

Too Many Puppies

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/eFOuMv8k1bY\|\|center\|The Kinks - Apeman\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/eFOuMv8k1bY\|\|center\|The Kinks - Apeman\|frame}}
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Fractalguy: /* Too Many Puppies */

2025-07-09T11:39:18Z

Too Many Puppies

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	== Too Many Puppies ==		== Too Many Puppies ==
	Does this song actually have anything to do with spaying and neutering your pets? Probably not. Overpopulation really isn't really a very popular thing to sing about. {{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpDFjau-Ps\|\|center\|Primus - Too Many Puppies\|frame}}		Does this song actually have anything to do with spaying and neutering your pets? Probably not. Overpopulation really isn't really a very popular thing to sing about. {{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpDFjau-Ps\|\|center\|Primus - Too Many Puppies\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/eFOuMv8k1bY\|\|center\|The Kinks - Apeman\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0\|\|center\|William Shatner - Common People\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0\|\|center\|William Shatner - Common People\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 11:38, 9 July 2025

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEIRRe9dCrA\|\|center\|Can the Earth Support 8 Billion People?\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEIRRe9dCrA\|\|center\|Can the Earth Support 8 Billion People?\|frame}}

	==~~= Spay and Neuter Your Pets People =~~==		== Too Many Puppies ==
			Does this song actually have anything to do with spaying and neutering your pets? Probably not. Overpopulation really isn't really a very popular thing to sing about. {{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpDFjau-Ps\|\|center\|Primus - Too Many Puppies\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0\|\|center\|William Shatner - Common People\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0\|\|center\|William Shatner - Common People\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* Overpopulation Videos */

2025-07-09T11:32:21Z

Overpopulation Videos

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxctzyNxC0\|\|center\|Overpopulation facts - the problem no one will discuss\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxctzyNxC0\|\|center\|Overpopulation facts - the problem no one will discuss\|frame}}

			=== Can the Earth Support 8 Billion People? ===

			An up-to-date documentary from BBC with great production values that covers all of the key issues around population and [[environment]].

			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEIRRe9dCrA\|\|center\|Can the Earth Support 8 Billion People?\|frame}}

	=== Spay and Neuter Your Pets People ===		=== Spay and Neuter Your Pets People ===

Fractalguy at 22:10, 5 July 2025

2025-07-05T22:10:42Z

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	[[File:Overpopulation-malthus-eugenics-one-child-policy-environment-resources-collapse.jpg\|thumb\|Many people prefer to avoid crowds]]		[[File:Overpopulation-malthus-eugenics-one-child-policy-environment-resources-collapse.jpg\|thumb\|Many people prefer to avoid crowds]]
	All [[environmental]] and [[sustainability]] issues are impacted by population. Even the most wasteful and polluting industrial processes would have minimal environmental impact if the population were small enough.<blockquote>''"Futurists don't consider overpopulation one of the issues of the [[future]]. They consider it the issue of the [[future]]."'' -[[wikipedia:Dan_Brown\|Dan Brown]]</blockquote>Unfortunately this sensitive topic does not get the attention it needs.		All [[environmental]] and [[sustainability]] issues are impacted by population. Even the most wasteful and polluting industrial processes would have minimal environmental impact if the population were small enough.<blockquote>''"Futurists don't consider overpopulation one of the issues of the [[future]]. They consider it the issue of the [[future]]."'' -[[wikipedia:Dan_Brown\|Dan Brown]]</blockquote>Unfortunately this sensitive topic does not get the [[attention]] it needs.

	== Population is Self-Correcting ==		== Population is Self-Correcting ==

Fractalguy at 05:53, 16 February 2025

2025-02-16T05:53:38Z

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	[[File:Overpopulation-malthus-eugenics-one-child-policy-environment-resources-collapse.jpg\|thumb\|Many people prefer to avoid crowds]]		[[File:Overpopulation-malthus-eugenics-one-child-policy-environment-resources-collapse.jpg\|thumb\|Many people prefer to avoid crowds]]
	All [[environmental]] and [[sustainability]] issues are impacted by population. Even the most wasteful and polluting industrial processes would have minimal environmental impact if the population were small enough. Unfortunately this sensitive topic does not get the attention it needs.		All [[environmental]] and [[sustainability]] issues are impacted by population. Even the most wasteful and polluting industrial processes would have minimal environmental impact if the population were small enough.<blockquote>''"Futurists don't consider overpopulation one of the issues of the [[future]]. They consider it the issue of the [[future]]."'' -[[wikipedia:Dan_Brown\|Dan Brown]]</blockquote>Unfortunately this sensitive topic does not get the attention it needs.

	== Population is Self-Correcting ==		== Population is Self-Correcting ==

Fractalguy at 00:05, 16 January 2025

2025-01-16T00:05:24Z

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	Too many [[environmental]] organizations give the appearance that to avoid accusations of [[racism]] the white, western countries should lower their standard of living to something that would be sustainable if all 8 billion people achieved that standard. While this solution is exceedingly [[Justice\|fair]], it is also a [[political]] impossibility. There are simply too many people who will never voluntarily lower their standard of living. And in this case too many is very nearly everyone. Standard of living either goes up, or you go to [[war]].		Too many [[environmental]] organizations give the appearance that to avoid accusations of [[racism]] the white, western countries should lower their standard of living to something that would be sustainable if all 8 billion people achieved that standard. While this solution is exceedingly [[Justice\|fair]], it is also a [[political]] impossibility. There are simply too many people who will never voluntarily lower their standard of living. And in this case too many is very nearly everyone. Standard of living either goes up, or you go to [[war]].

	Any solution to our [[environmental]] and [[climate change]] issues must continue the upward trend in [[Happiness\|quality of life]] globally. Poorer countries can catch up and richer counties may slow their growth, but the trends must all continue upward to avoid social upheaval. Population reduction enables continued growth in [[Happiness\|quality of life]] while still addressing the many issues of sustainability that we face..		Any solution to our [[environmental]] and [[climate change]] issues must continue the upward trend in [[Happiness\|quality of life]] globally. Poorer countries can catch up and richer counties may slow their growth, but the trends must all continue upward to avoid social upheaval. Population reduction enables continued growth in [[Happiness\|quality of life]] while still addressing the many issues of sustainability that we face.

			== Soft Antinatalism ==
			The [[wikipedia:Antinatalism\|antinatalism]] movement often takes the hard view that all procreation is unethical, to the point where some even advocate for the extinction of humanity. The [[metaculture]] [[wiki]] does not wish to be associated with that. You could describe the position being taken as a sort of "soft antinatalism" where we can be [[happy]] about natural trends toward lower birthrates without being [[wikipedia:Misanthropy\|misanthropic]] or feeling [[outrage]] when people decide to have [[families]].

	== Overpopulation Videos ==		== Overpopulation Videos ==