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Fractalguy at 13:46, 30 November 2025

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	Every [[perspective]] taken in [[metaculture]] has the ability to connect and persuade its intended audience in mind. Even the choice to make a [[wiki]] in order to present these [[ideas]], since it offers the ability to use the [[language]] feature to [[wikipedia:Code-switching\|code switch]] the entire [[philosophy]]. This not only translates it into other [[languages]], but allows switching out [[religious]] [[allegories]], [[music]] and pop [[culture]] references, and debate styles, aligning it with both [[cultural]] and generational differences to maximize the benefit of the doubt we naturally give to our [[in-group]].		Every [[perspective]] taken in [[metaculture]] has the ability to connect and persuade its intended audience in mind. Even the choice to make a [[wiki]] in order to present these [[ideas]], since it offers the ability to use the [[language]] feature to [[wikipedia:Code-switching\|code switch]] the entire [[philosophy]]. This not only translates it into other [[languages]], but allows switching out [[religious]] [[allegories]], [[music]] and pop [[culture]] references, and debate styles, aligning it with both [[cultural]] and generational differences to maximize the benefit of the doubt we naturally give to our [[in-group]].

			The classic Dale Carnegie technique provides a handy general guide with time-tested techniques. The goal is not to "win" a debate through force of [[reason]] and [[evidence]], but to "win" the person to your side through the force of [[friendship]] and camaraderie. [[Science]] is where [[reason]] and [[evidence]] come into play, but the power of persuasion is needed to convince the vast majority that [[science]] is the best path to knowledge.
			[[File:How-to-win-friends-and-influence-people.jpeg\|center\|frameless\|745x745px]]

	== Opinions Are Built on Education ==		== Opinions Are Built on Education ==

Fractalguy: /* Persuasive Videos and Podcasts */

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNr08R5sI6U\|\|center\|Persuasion: The Psychology of Leading People\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNr08R5sI6U\|\|center\|Persuasion: The Psychology of Leading People\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4-WcUm7Io\|\|center\|Facts (usually) Don't Change Minds\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZkeDUemSk\|\|center\|Can we think better by wrestling with conflicting ideas?\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIZkeDUemSk\|\|center\|Can we think better by wrestling with conflicting ideas?\|frame}}
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	By contrast, some debates don't have a middle ground. There is someone who is right and someone who is [[objectively]] wrong. These types of "debates" are a great way to maximize [[outrage]] on [[social media]]. This video is a great critique of Jubilee and other "debate" content on [[social media]] that is designed to normalize and [[monetize]] [[fascism]].		By contrast, some debates don't have a middle ground. There is someone who is right and someone who is [[objectively]] wrong. These types of "debates" are a great way to maximize [[outrage]] on [[social media]]. This video is a great critique of Jubilee and other "debate" content on [[social media]] that is designed to normalize and [[monetize]] [[fascism]].
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhcJglI-4Y\|\|center\|The Dangers of Jubilee: How Fascists Seize Discourse\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhcJglI-4Y\|\|center\|The Dangers of Jubilee: How Fascists Seize Discourse\|frame}}
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	~~{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4-WcUm7Io\|\|center\|Facts (usually) Don't Change Minds\|frame}}~~

	== Musical Persuasion ==		== Musical Persuasion ==

Fractalguy: /* Persuasive Videos and Podcasts */

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	By contrast, some debates don't have a middle ground. There is someone who is right and someone who is [[objectively]] wrong. ~~Seeing these~~ types of "~~debate~~" is a great way to maximize [[outrage]] on [[social media]]. This video is a great critique of Jubilee and other "debate" content on [[social media]] that is designed to normalize and [[monetize]] [[fascism]].		By contrast, some debates don't have a middle ground. There is someone who is right and someone who is [[objectively]] wrong. These types of "debates" are a great way to maximize [[outrage]] on [[social media]]. This video is a great critique of Jubilee and other "debate" content on [[social media]] that is designed to normalize and [[monetize]] [[fascism]].
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhcJglI-4Y\|\|center\|The Dangers of Jubilee: How Fascists Seize Discourse\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhcJglI-4Y\|\|center\|The Dangers of Jubilee: How Fascists Seize Discourse\|frame}}
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			By contrast, some debates don't have a middle ground. There is someone who is right and someone who is [[objectively]] wrong. Seeing these types of "debate" is a great way to maximize [[outrage]] on [[social media]]. This video is a great critique of Jubilee and other "debate" content on [[social media]] that is designed to normalize and [[monetize]] [[fascism]].
			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyhcJglI-4Y\|\|center\|The Dangers of Jubilee: How Fascists Seize Discourse\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4-WcUm7Io\|\|center\|Facts (usually) Don't Change Minds\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC4-WcUm7Io\|\|center\|Facts (usually) Don't Change Minds\|frame}}

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KULprhW5mWc\|\|center\|Osees - Persuaders Up!\|frame}}		== Musical Persuasion ==
			Don't sleep on how persuasive a catchy tune can be. Get millions of people listening and singing lyrics with a message over and over and it really drives that message home!{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KULprhW5mWc\|\|center\|Osees - Persuaders Up!\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUBqJzLPjXE\|\|center\|Doechii - Persuasive\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUBqJzLPjXE\|\|center\|Doechii - Persuasive\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* Strategies for Political and Theological Persuasion */

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	== Strategies for Political and Theological Persuasion ==		== Strategies for Political and Theological Persuasion ==
	When dealing with core identity topics like [[politics]] and [[religion]], a number of strategies should be employed to avoid emotional and reflexive reactions instead of considered attention to evidence and reasoning.		When dealing with core identity topics like [[politics]] and [[religion]], a number of strategies should be employed to avoid emotional and reflexive reactions instead of considered [[attention]] to evidence and reasoning.

	=== The Spectrum of Allies ===		=== The Spectrum of Allies ===
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	=== Focus on Common Goals ===		=== Focus on Common Goals ===
	Behind every opinion is a goal, some objective the person is trying to achieve that they think will be better served if we do whatever they are saying. But what is that goal? it is often unstated and assumed. By focusing attention on the goal, you usually end up establishing common ground, because we are all humans and we all share the same ultimate goal of increasing [[Happiness and well-being\|happiness]] and [[quality of life]]. If you trace each intermediate goal back to its original purpose, all roads lead to this one true goal shared by all of humanity.		Behind every opinion is a goal, some objective the person is trying to achieve that they think will be better served if we do whatever they are saying. But what is that goal? it is often unstated and assumed. By focusing [[attention]] on the goal, you usually end up establishing common ground, because we are all humans and we all share the same ultimate goal of increasing [[Happiness and well-being\|happiness]] and [[quality of life]]. If you trace each intermediate goal back to its original purpose, all roads lead to this one true goal shared by all of humanity.

	Now you are part of the [[in-group]] and you are ready to have a totally different conversation.		Now you are part of the [[in-group]] and you are ready to have a totally different conversation.

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	You won't turn an opponent into a strong ally in one conversation, but you can make someone less adamantly against you.		You won't turn an opponent into a strong ally in one conversation, but you can make someone less adamantly against you.

			=== Have a Plan to Counter Misinformation ===
			Persuasion in the age of the Internet has less to do with making the best argument and changing [[minds]] through [[reason]], and much more to do with shaping the [[information environment]] that a person exists in that shapes their [[beliefs]]. Your friendly conversation cannot counter the influence of multiple hours per day of [[propaganda]] and [[misinformation]] that many people consume. However, if you can get them to follow a new journalist or content creator that will insert alternate viewpoints into their [[newsfeed]] every day, this can have a significant impact.

			[https://hearyourselfthink.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Breaking-Through-with-a-Loved-One-Hooked-on-Fox.pdf This guide] from [https://hearyourselfthink.org Hear Yourself Think] is one of the best [https://hearyourselfthink.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Breaking-Through-with-a-Loved-One-Hooked-on-Fox.pdf comprehensive guides to countering misinformation and propaganda]. It offers a step-by-step action plan for deprogramming [[friends]] and [[family]] members that have fallen under its spell.

	=== Use Narrative and Allegory ===		=== Use Narrative and Allegory ===

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 == Strategies for Political and Theological Persuasion ==
 When dealing with core identity topics like [[politics]] and [[religion]], a number of strategies should be employed to avoid emotional and reflexive reactions instead of considered attention to evidence and reasoning.
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 Now you are part of the [[in-group]] and you are ready to have a totally different conversation.
 === How Can Atheists and Theists Find Common Ground? ===

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	Now you are part of the [[in-group]] and you are ready to have a totally different conversation.		Now you are part of the [[in-group]] and you are ready to have a totally different conversation.

			=== The Spectrum of Allies ===
			The [https://commonslibrary.org/spectrum-of-allies/ Spectrum of Allies] is an organizing tool that divides people into five subgroups:<blockquote>''active allies'', or people who agree with you and are fighting alongside you;

			''passive allies'', or people who agree with you but aren’t (yet) doing anything about it;

			''neutrals'', or the unengaged and uninformed;

			''passive opposition'', or people who disagree with you but aren’t actively trying to stop you; and

			''active opposition'', or people who not only disagree with you, but are actively organizing against you.</blockquote>When speaking to members of each group, your goal is to move them one step in the right direction. Turn active opposition into passive opposition and neutrality, neutrals into passive allies, and passive allies into active allies.

			You won't turn an opponent into a strong ally in one conversation, but you can make someone less adamantly against you.

	=== How Can Atheists and Theists Find Common Ground? ===		=== How Can Atheists and Theists Find Common Ground? ===

Fractalguy: /* The Importance of Persuasion */

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The Importance of Persuasion

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	== The Importance of Persuasion ==		== The Importance of Persuasion ==
	The [[brain]] is the most powerful [[information]] processing device that the [[universe]] has created. Any insights it may gain from new [[information]] are severely limited if they cannot be communicated to others. The [[evolutionary]] benefit of communicating new insights that improve our ability to survive and thrive cannot be understated. This is why we talk, why we discuss and debate [[philosophy]], [[politics]], and [[religion]]. This is why, when there is a particularly powerful and great [[Ideas\|idea]] with huge potential benefits to survival and [[happiness]], we spread that idea with [[wikipedia:Evangelism\|evangelical]] zeal.		The [[brain]] is the most powerful [[information]] processing device that the [[universe]] has created. Any insights it may gain from new [[information]] are severely limited if they cannot be communicated to others. The [[evolutionary]] benefit of communicating new insights that improve our ability to survive and thrive cannot be understated. This is why we talk, why we discuss and debate [[philosophy]], [[politics]], and [[religion]]. This is why, when there is a particularly powerful and great [[Ideas\|idea]] with huge potential benefits to survival and [[happiness]], we spread that idea with [[wikipedia:Evangelism\|evangelical]] zeal.
			[[File:Mental-illness-change-minds-with-facts.jpeg\|thumb\|Preserve your sanity with better rhetoric.]]
	The debate of [[science]] versus [[superstition]] and [[misinformation]] is one of the most important debates in human [[history]]. It is of the utmost importance that enough people are convinced of this before nuclear [[war]], [[climate change]], or some other [[Apocalypse\|existential global calamity]] is caused by [[In-group\|humanity's inability to come together as one]]. Those that understand the importance of these [[ideas]] need to become ''evangelists'' for them.		The debate of [[science]] versus [[superstition]] and [[misinformation]] is one of the most important debates in human [[history]]. It is of the utmost importance that enough people are convinced of this before nuclear [[war]], [[climate change]], or some other [[Apocalypse\|existential global calamity]] is caused by [[In-group\|humanity's inability to come together as one]]. Those that understand the importance of these [[ideas]] need to become ''evangelists'' for them.