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Fractalguy: /* Christian Pantheism */

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Christian Pantheism

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	== Christian Pantheism ==		== Christian Pantheism ==
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	Christian theologians that are still committed to [[literalism]] tend to reject pantheism and see it as [[wikipedia:Heresy\|heresy]]. Here are a couple of examples that will be cited in this section. [https://www.christianity.com/wiki/cults-and-other-religions/what-should-christians-know-dangers-pantheism.html][https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-pantheism-700690][https://billmuehlenberg.com/2010/01/09/pantheism-and-biblical-christianity/][https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-pantheism.html][https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_306.cfm]		Christian theologians that are still committed to [[literalism]] tend to reject pantheism and see it as [[wikipedia:Heresy\|heresy]]. Here are a couple of examples that will be cited in this section. [https://www.christianity.com/wiki/cults-and-other-religions/what-should-christians-know-dangers-pantheism.html][https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-pantheism-700690][https://billmuehlenberg.com/2010/01/09/pantheism-and-biblical-christianity/][https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-pantheism.html][https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_306.cfm]

Fractalguy: /* Panmusicalism */

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Panmusicalism

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	== Panmusicalism ==		== Panmusicalism ==
	Here's some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpWllK3VgI&list=RDQMia4z6lLeDEw pan flute music], and some music that evokes pantheistic themes.{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMiXjwhODU\|\|center\|The Beatles - Mother Nature's Son\|frame}}		Here's some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpWllK3VgI&list=RDQMia4z6lLeDEw pan flute music], and some music that evokes pantheistic themes.

			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMiXjwhODU\|\|center\|The Beatles - Mother Nature's Son\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkndVzfOeRc\|\|center\|Bob Marley - Natural Mystic Live In Dortmund, Germany\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* No Miracles in Pantheism */

2025-08-08T13:46:48Z

No Miracles in Pantheism

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	Are the miracles really the reason for your [[belief]]? Jesus makes some of the most radically [[love]]-embracing [[moral]] teachings the world has ever heard, and you think his walking on water and endless bread sticks are the important part? It's obvious to any modern person that miracles are just how you get ancient people to embrace the truly important parts of your message.		Are the miracles really the reason for your [[belief]]? Jesus makes some of the most radically [[love]]-embracing [[moral]] teachings the world has ever heard, and you think his walking on water and endless bread sticks are the important part? It's obvious to any modern person that miracles are just how you get ancient people to embrace the truly important parts of your message.

	You can also believe in miracles that don't require divine interventions that violate the [[laws of physics]]. These are often due to the nature of [[complex systems]], which often exhibit strange and unpredictable [[Emergent properties\|emergent behaviors]] based on the interactions of trillions of variables. Spontaneous cancer remission is one such thing that is seen as a miracle. The [[placebo effect]] is often interpreted as miraculous. Procreation and birth are as natural as anything, but many see it as a miracle. The emergence of [[consciousness]] is pretty darned miraculous, too. None of these things violate the [[laws of physics]], but they are all both awesome and unlikely. (Technically, procreation and [[consciousness]] are [[inevitable]], but they seem unlikely!)		You can also believe in miracles that don't require divine interventions that violate the [[laws of physics]]. These are often due to the nature of [[complex systems]], which often exhibit strange and unpredictable [[Emergent properties\|emergent behaviors]] based on the interactions of trillions of variables. Spontaneous cancer remission is one such thing that is seen as a miracle. The [[placebo effect]] is often interpreted as miraculous. Procreation and birth are as natural as anything, but many see it as a miracle. The emergence of [[consciousness]] is pretty darned miraculous, too. None of these things violate the [[laws of physics]], but they are all both [[Awe\|awesome]] and unlikely. (Technically, [[Self-replication\|procreation]] and [[consciousness]] are [[inevitable]], but they seem unlikely!)

	=== The Nature of Omnipresence ===		=== The Nature of Omnipresence ===

Fractalguy: /* Christian Pantheism */

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Christian Pantheism

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	Not all Christians believe pantheism is heresy, and many consider it a way to resolve the [[cognitive dissonance]] between [[materialism]] and [[spirituality]]. Some example of these are here. [https://thinkingpacifism.net/2023/04/04/is-there-a-case-for-christian-pantheism-questioning-faith-18/][https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2022/03/80430/][https://brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com/p/metamodern-christianity][https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39028438-the-universal-christ]		Not all Christians believe pantheism is heresy, and many consider it a way to resolve the [[cognitive dissonance]] between [[materialism]] and [[spirituality]]. Some example of these are here. [https://thinkingpacifism.net/2023/04/04/is-there-a-case-for-christian-pantheism-questioning-faith-18/][https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2022/03/80430/][https://brendangrahamdempsey.substack.com/p/metamodern-christianity][https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39028438-the-universal-christ]

	As mentioned above, the [[fractal]] view of transcendent [[self-organization]] and [[logic]] goes beyond the classic definition of pantheism and offers many more satisfying interpretations of [[scripture]] than one that focuses exclusively on [[material]] [[reality]]. Add in some [[perspectives]] on [[consciousness]] and the [[evolution]] of our [[moral]] instincts, and you have the basis for a personal [[god]], salvation, and other Christian [[Doctrine\|doctrines]].		As mentioned above, the [[fractal]] view of transcendent [[self-organization]] and [[logic]] goes beyond the classic definition of pantheism and offers many more satisfying interpretations of [[scripture]] than one that focuses exclusively on [[material]] [[reality]]. Add in some [[perspectives]] on [[consciousness]], [[love]], and the [[evolution]] of our [[moral]] instincts, and you have the basis for a personal [[god]], salvation, and other Christian [[Doctrine\|doctrines]].

	=== God is Distinct from the Universe and Eternal ===		=== God is Distinct from the Universe and Eternal ===

Fractalguy: /* Love The Earth But Stay Grounded */

2025-08-08T13:38:27Z

Love The Earth But Stay Grounded

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	== Love The Earth But Stay Grounded ==		== Love The Earth But Stay Grounded ==

	Many people that call themselves [[pantheists]] lean hard into the [[nature]]-loving aspects of it, and refer to it more as Earth-worship or nature-worship. There is also no inherent adherence to [[science]] required to identify as pantheist, though it's strongly implied. The definition of pantheism is compatible with [[science]] but not all pantheists ~~are~~ [~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism rationalists~~].		Many people that call themselves [[pantheists]] lean hard into the [[nature]]-loving aspects of it, and refer to it more as Earth-worship or nature-worship. There is also no inherent adherence to [[science]] required to identify as pantheist, though it's strongly implied. The definition of pantheism is compatible with [[science]] but not all pantheists have a strong allegiance to [[critical thinking]].

	== The Pinnacle of Nondualism ==		== The Pinnacle of Nondualism ==

Fractalguy: /* Not Just Immanent, Transcendent Too! */

2025-07-08T21:43:28Z

Not Just Immanent, Transcendent Too!

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	[[Traditional]] pantheism also tends to deny the [[wikipedia:Transcendence_(religion)\|transcendent]] aspect of [[god]], but [[metaculture]] asserts that the laws of [[logic]], [[self-organization]] and the [[fractal]] exist outside of the [[material]] [[universe]] but still determine how it functions. Therefore they fulfill those transcendent properties of [[god]] while still being part of the overall system of [[nature]].		[[Traditional]] pantheism also tends to deny the [[wikipedia:Transcendence_(religion)\|transcendent]] aspect of [[god]], but [[metaculture]] asserts that the laws of [[logic]], [[self-organization]] and the [[fractal]] exist outside of the [[material]] [[universe]] but still determine how it functions. Therefore they fulfill those transcendent properties of [[god]] while still being part of the overall system of [[nature]].

			There are also [[emergent properties]] of [[complex systems]] that have no [[Creationism\|creator]] but exhibit intricate designs and behaviors that feel like they have been engineered by some super-intelligent being and given their own [[agency]].

	That is why [[metaculture]] is based on [[secular]] [[fractal]] [[pantheistic]] [[universalism]] not just pantheism. It may not be easy to say, but it's all needed to fully capture the [[metaphysics]] and [[theology]] of [[metaculture]]. Also, the goal is to be able to just say [[metaculture]] but nobody knows what that is yet.		That is why [[metaculture]] is based on [[secular]] [[fractal]] [[pantheistic]] [[universalism]] not just pantheism. It may not be easy to say, but it's all needed to fully capture the [[metaphysics]] and [[theology]] of [[metaculture]]. Also, the goal is to be able to just say [[metaculture]] but nobody knows what that is yet.

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-The basic [[theological]] tenets of [[metaculture]] are Pantheism and [[Universalism]].<blockquote>''"I believe in [[God]], only I spell it [[Nature]]."''  -[[wikipedia:Frank_Lloyd_Wright|Frank Lloyd Wright]] </blockquote>
+The basic [[theological]] tenets of [[metaculture]] are Pantheism and [[Universalism]].<blockquote>''"I believe in [[God]], only I spell it [[Nature]]."''  -[[wikipedia:Frank_Lloyd_Wright|Frank Lloyd Wright]] </blockquote>To expand on [[wikipedia:Frank_Lloyd_Wright|Frank Lloyd Wright's]] simple and straightforward statement of his pantheistic [[belief]], here is a more [[poetic]] quote from [[wikipedia:Walt_Whitman|Walt Whitman]].<blockquote>''"I hear and behold god in every object, yet understand god not in the least,''
 == Pantheistic Universalism ==

Fractalguy: /* Pantheism Videos */

2025-07-08T20:35:29Z

Pantheism Videos

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZCCZ3KzH8g\|\|center\|Pantheism in Hinduism, Daoism and Buddhism\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZCCZ3KzH8g\|\|center\|Pantheism in Hinduism, Daoism and Buddhism\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMiXjwhODU\|\|center\|The Beatles - Mother Nature's Son\|frame}}		== Panmusicalism ==
			Here's some [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpWllK3VgI&list=RDQMia4z6lLeDEw pan flute music], and some music that evokes pantheistic themes.{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMMiXjwhODU\|\|center\|The Beatles - Mother Nature's Son\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 20:30, 8 July 2025

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	== Pantheism Videos ==		== Pantheism Videos ==
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpz9Ec8Il38\|\|center\|Pantheism - Explained and Debated\|frame}}		Some videos explaining the concept of pantheism in the [[history]] of [[philosophy]] and [[religion]].{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpz9Ec8Il38\|\|center\|Pantheism - Explained and Debated\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX_Z2g5xo_A\|\|center\|What is Pantheism? (short)\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX_Z2g5xo_A\|\|center\|What is Pantheism? (short)\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* Pantheism Videos */

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Pantheism Videos

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpz9Ec8Il38\|\|center\|Pantheism - Explained and Debated\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpz9Ec8Il38\|\|center\|Pantheism - Explained and Debated\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX_Z2g5xo_A\|\|center\|What is Pantheism?\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX_Z2g5xo_A\|\|center\|What is Pantheism? (short)\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_vS7Y4CHI\|\|center\|What is Pantheism? (long)\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRjgZ5BgNGo\|\|center\|Michael Levine - Alternative Concepts of God?\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRjgZ5BgNGo\|\|center\|Michael Levine - Alternative Concepts of God?\|frame}}