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Fractalguy: /* Reconsidering Libertarianism */

2025-03-09T11:20:34Z

Reconsidering Libertarianism

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKyA3x_yh9A\|\|center\|Metallica - Don't Tread on Me\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKyA3x_yh9A\|\|center\|Metallica - Don't Tread on Me\|frame}}
	<br>This song captures the Libertarian [[ethos]] that [[Social Safety Net\|anything you do to help poor people]] undermines their drive to become successful entrepreneurs like [[wikipedia:John_Galt\|John Galt]], and is actually worse for them than letting billionaires add that [[money]] to their portfolios.		<br>This song captures the Libertarian [[ethos]] that [[Social Safety Net\|anything you do to help poor people]] undermines their drive to become successful entrepreneurs like [[wikipedia:John_Galt\|John Galt]], and is actually worse for them than letting [[billionaires]] add that [[money]] to their portfolios.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0l3QWUXVho\|\|center\|Nick Lowe - Cruel to be Kind\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0l3QWUXVho\|\|center\|Nick Lowe - Cruel to be Kind\|frame}}
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	To give them the benefit of the doubt, most Libertarians only want to kill the poor through neglect, not a neutron bomb.		To give them the benefit of the doubt, most Libertarians only want to kill the poor through neglect, not a neutron bomb.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zi3ECjw9ro\|\|center\|Dead Kennedys - Kill the Poor\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zi3ECjw9ro\|\|center\|Dead Kennedys - Kill the Poor\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 11:12, 9 March 2025

2025-03-09T11:12:06Z

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZL-vsjSoo\|\|center\|Penn Jillette on why his views on Liberarianism have changed\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZL-vsjSoo\|\|center\|Penn Jillette on why his views on Liberarianism have changed\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwcvjNJTuM\|\|center\|Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free Bird\|frame}}		== Free Birds ==
			Rock and Roll, and [[music]] generally, is strongly associated with [[freedom]]. In fact, there are very few popular songs about [[authoritarianism]] outside of [[authoritarian]] countries, and those songs tend to lose popularity once the [[leader]] loses [[power]]. The ones that retain their popularity tend to not have lyrics.{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwcvjNJTuM\|\|center\|Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free Bird\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKyA3x_yh9A\|\|center\|Metallica - Don't Tread on Me\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKyA3x_yh9A\|\|center\|Metallica - Don't Tread on Me\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 11:06, 9 March 2025

2025-03-09T11:06:22Z

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	* Keep fighting for [[freedom]], [[justice]], and [[wikipedia:Decriminalization\|decriminalization]] of [[wikipedia:Victimless_crime\|victimless crimes]]. These are are positions with supermajority popularity and should be the bread and butter of the Libertarian party, not destruction of the state.		* Keep fighting for [[freedom]], [[justice]], and [[wikipedia:Decriminalization\|decriminalization]] of [[wikipedia:Victimless_crime\|victimless crimes]]. These are are positions with supermajority popularity and should be the bread and butter of the Libertarian party, not destruction of the state.
	As long as libertarians can stop their extremist rejection of the legitimacy of [[government]], or the benefits of any form of [[balance of power]] to offset the corporations and oligarchs, they could be taken seriously as a [[political]] [[philosophy]] and provide a reasonable counterweight to [[progressive]] excesses. The [[free market]] does need advocates, because many think it's evil and needs to go away. Libertarians should be those advocates without advocating anarcho-corporate dystopia.		As long as libertarians can stop their extremist rejection of the legitimacy of [[government]], or the benefits of any form of [[balance of power]] to offset the corporations and oligarchs, they could be taken seriously as a [[political]] [[philosophy]] and provide a reasonable counterweight to [[progressive]] excesses. The [[free market]] does need advocates, because many think it's evil and needs to go away. Libertarians should be those advocates without advocating anarcho-corporate dystopia.

			This video from Ezra Klein makes a strong case for [[progressive]] advocacy of efficient [[government]] as a way to address the [[economic]] concerns of Libertarians without the chainsaw approach that many free market ideologues tend to take.

			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwjxVRfUV_4\|\|center\|
			There Is a Liberal Answer to Elon Musk\|frame}}

	== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==		== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==

Fractalguy: /* Libertarian Roots */

2025-01-12T14:14:15Z

Libertarian Roots

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	[[metaculture]] has many roots in Libertarian [[philosophy]]. The notions of distributed power, [[self-organization]] of [[capital]] markets, and maximizing [[freedom]], are all important components of [[political]] and [[economic]] [[best-practices]]. It's also the obvious product of a reformed [[Crypto-bros\|tech bro]].		[[metaculture]] has many roots in Libertarian [[philosophy]]. The notions of distributed power, [[self-organization]] of [[capital]] markets, and maximizing [[freedom]], are all important components of [[political]] and [[economic]] [[best-practices]]. It's also the obvious product of a reformed [[Crypto-bros\|tech bro]].

	Libertarianism goes back to the 70s, but it really started catching on among the techies in the 90s during the very beginnings of the DotCom boom. This was a very [[optimistic]] time, following the fall of the Berlin wall and before the events of 9/11. Libertarianism and its [[philosophical]] ally [[wikipedia:Objectivism\|Objectivism]] were not widely known outside of the [[Crypto-bros\|techno-nerd]] [[culture]], who did not have the cachet that they currently enjoy. These [[philosophies]] made a lot of sense at a time when [[capitalism]] had just "defeated" [[communism]], new [[technology]] was poised to revolutionize [[society]], and we appeared to be on the cusp of a new millennium of [[peace]] and [[prosperity]].		Libertarianism goes back to the 70s, but it really started catching on among the [[Crypto-bros\|techies]] in the 90s during the very beginnings of the DotCom boom. This was a very [[optimistic]] time, following the fall of the Berlin wall and before the events of 9/11. Libertarianism and its [[philosophical]] ally [[wikipedia:Objectivism\|Objectivism]] were not widely known outside of the [[Crypto-bros\|techno-nerd]] [[culture]], who did not have the cachet that they currently enjoy. These [[philosophies]] made a lot of sense at a time when [[capitalism]] had just "defeated" [[communism]], new [[technology]] was poised to revolutionize [[society]], and we appeared to be on the cusp of a new millennium of [[peace]] and [[prosperity]].

	At that time, the welfare and regulatory state was exceptionally bloated, inefficient, and in need of significant reforms. The [[war]] on [[drugs]] and [[mass incarceration]] were in full swing, police had very little oversight, and neither mainstream [[political]] party advocated for reforming this status quo.		At that time, the welfare and regulatory state was exceptionally bloated, inefficient, and in need of significant reforms. The [[war]] on [[drugs]] and [[mass incarceration]] were in full swing, police had very little oversight, and neither mainstream [[political]] party advocated for reforming this status quo.

Fractalguy: /* Meta Libertarianism */

2025-01-12T14:04:24Z

Meta Libertarianism

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	* Fully embrace diversity and [[inclusivity]]. This doesn't mean going "woke" but it does mean disavowing [[racists]] in your ranks.		* Fully embrace diversity and [[inclusivity]]. This doesn't mean going "woke" but it does mean disavowing [[racists]] in your ranks.
	* Stop the [[contrarian]] antigovernmental nonsense and focus on practical ways to make [[government]] more efficient, or provide more efficient ways to accomplish the same goals in the [[free market]]. Denying the core premise of regulation is unserious. Recognize the real problems they address, don't ignore them.		* Stop the [[contrarian]] antigovernmental nonsense and focus on practical ways to make [[government]] more efficient, or provide more efficient ways to accomplish the same goals in the [[free market]]. Denying the core premise of regulation is unserious. Recognize the real problems they address, don't ignore them.
			* Don't advocate for illegal [[tax avoidance]] schemes just because you don't like [[taxes]].
			* Keep fighting for [[freedom]], [[justice]], and [[wikipedia:Decriminalization\|decriminalization]] of [[wikipedia:Victimless_crime\|victimless crimes]]. These are are positions with supermajority popularity and should be the bread and butter of the Libertarian party, not destruction of the state.
	As long as libertarians can stop their extremist rejection of the legitimacy of [[government]], or the benefits of any form of [[balance of power]] to offset the corporations and oligarchs, they could be taken seriously as a [[political]] [[philosophy]] and provide a reasonable counterweight to [[progressive]] excesses. The [[free market]] does need advocates, because many think it's evil and needs to go away. Libertarians should be those advocates without advocating anarcho-corporate dystopia.		As long as libertarians can stop their extremist rejection of the legitimacy of [[government]], or the benefits of any form of [[balance of power]] to offset the corporations and oligarchs, they could be taken seriously as a [[political]] [[philosophy]] and provide a reasonable counterweight to [[progressive]] excesses. The [[free market]] does need advocates, because many think it's evil and needs to go away. Libertarians should be those advocates without advocating anarcho-corporate dystopia.

Fractalguy: /* Meta Libertarianism */

2025-01-12T10:23:55Z

Meta Libertarianism

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	== Meta Libertarianism ==		== Meta Libertarianism ==
	The [[metaculture]] [[philosophy]] advocates many [[progressive]] positions due to their [[evidence-based]] [[utilitarian]] impact. However, there are many aspects of the libertarian [[philosophy]] that also have evidence of efficacy. If libertarians can rid themselves of their [[Billionaires\|billionaire]] [[bootlicking]] tendencies, their [[politics]] can happily coexist in a cooperative [[balance of power]] with [[progressives]]. The same is true for [[Good Faith Conservatism\|good faith conservatism]].		The [[metaculture]] [[philosophy]] advocates many [[progressive]] positions due to their [[evidence-based]] [[utilitarian]] impact. However, there are many aspects of the libertarian [[philosophy]] that also have evidence of efficacy. If libertarians can rid themselves of their [[Billionaires\|billionaire]] [[bootlicking]] tendencies, their [[politics]] can happily coexist in a cooperative [[balance of power]] with [[progressives]]. The same is true for [[Good Faith Conservatism\|good faith conservatism]].

			The [[metaculture]] framework does not advocate a specific [[politics]] or party, it advocates that we find a new [[universally]] accepted goal and rules of the game for [[politics]], so we can proceed as cooperating partners with different [[perspectives]] rather than battling rivals that must win at all costs. Any party that approaches this goal in good faith can participate constructively.

	How would a good faith, [[meta]]-compatible libertarian [[politics]] be different than the way it is currently practiced?		How would a good faith, [[meta]]-compatible libertarian [[politics]] be different than the way it is currently practiced?

Fractalguy: /* Meta Libertarianism */

2025-01-12T10:16:41Z

Meta Libertarianism

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	How would a good faith, [[meta]]-compatible libertarian [[politics]] be different than the way it is currently practiced?		How would a good faith, [[meta]]-compatible libertarian [[politics]] be different than the way it is currently practiced?

	* Support for unions, since they represent free-market solutions to wage inequality		* Support for unions, since they represent free-market solutions to wage inequality.
	* Advocate market based alternatives to regulation, such as organized consumer action. The free market doesn't magically [[self-regulate]], it requires people taking action to vote with their dollar.		* Advocate market based alternatives to regulation, such as organized [[wikipedia:Consumer_activism\|consumer action]]. The free market doesn't magically [[self-regulate]], it requires people taking action to vote with their dollar. This could be a more powerful force in the market than regulation if done right, and it would be voluntary!
	* Fully embrace diversity and [[inclusivity]]. This doesn't mean going "woke" but it does mean ~~not allowing~~ [[racists]] in your ranks.		* Fully embrace diversity and [[inclusivity]]. This doesn't mean going "woke" but it does mean disavowing [[racists]] in your ranks.
			* Stop the [[contrarian]] antigovernmental nonsense and focus on practical ways to make [[government]] more efficient, or provide more efficient ways to accomplish the same goals in the [[free market]]. Denying the core premise of regulation is unserious. Recognize the real problems they address, don't ignore them.
			As long as libertarians can stop their extremist rejection of the legitimacy of [[government]], or the benefits of any form of [[balance of power]] to offset the corporations and oligarchs, they could be taken seriously as a [[political]] [[philosophy]] and provide a reasonable counterweight to [[progressive]] excesses. The [[free market]] does need advocates, because many think it's evil and needs to go away. Libertarians should be those advocates without advocating anarcho-corporate dystopia.

	== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==		== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==

Fractalguy: meta libertarianism

2025-01-12T00:17:23Z

meta libertarianism

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	[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism Libertarianism] is the preferred [[political]] ideology of the [[Crypto-bros\|technological elites]].		[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism Libertarianism] is the preferred [[political]] ideology of the [[Crypto-bros\|technological elites]].

	It purports to be concerned with maximizing [[freedom]] in both the [[political]] and [[economic]] spheres, but tends to be focused too much on the [[economic]] [[freedom]] of billionaires over the [[well-being]] of the general public.<blockquote>''"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end."'' -Lord Acton</blockquote>[[Freedom]] is absolutely a key contributor to [[happiness]]. But what is maximized [[freedom]] in a [[utilitarian]] [[society]]? Which [[Freedom\|freedoms]] and which constraints do we count? [[Government]] isn't the only [[institution]] in [[society]] that significantly contributes to what you can and cannot [[Free will\|choose to do]].		It purports to be concerned with maximizing [[freedom]] in both the [[political]] and [[economic]] spheres, but tends to be focused too much on the [[economic]] [[freedom]] of billionaires over the [[well-being]] of the general public.<blockquote>''"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end."'' -[[wikipedia:John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton\|Lord Acton]]</blockquote>[[Freedom]] is absolutely a key contributor to [[happiness]]. But what is maximized [[freedom]] in a [[utilitarian]] [[society]]? Which [[Freedom\|freedoms]] and which constraints do we count? [[Government]] isn't the only [[institution]] in [[society]] that significantly contributes to what you can and cannot [[Free will\|choose to do]].

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	Using [[Gross National Happiness]] as the primary [[meterstick]] for [[economic]] progress would significantly alter the [[incentive]] structures provided by [[government]] intervention into the [[free market]]. This would allow the marketplace of ideas and entrepreneurship to [[self-organize]] flourish, while directing [[March of progress\|progress]] towards more humanistic ends than the pursuit of pure greed.		Using [[Gross National Happiness]] as the primary [[meterstick]] for [[economic]] progress would significantly alter the [[incentive]] structures provided by [[government]] intervention into the [[free market]]. This would allow the marketplace of ideas and entrepreneurship to [[self-organize]] flourish, while directing [[March of progress\|progress]] towards more humanistic ends than the pursuit of pure greed.

			== Meta Libertarianism ==
			The [[metaculture]] [[philosophy]] advocates many [[progressive]] positions due to their [[evidence-based]] [[utilitarian]] impact. However, there are many aspects of the libertarian [[philosophy]] that also have evidence of efficacy. If libertarians can rid themselves of their [[Billionaires\|billionaire]] [[bootlicking]] tendencies, their [[politics]] can happily coexist in a cooperative [[balance of power]] with [[progressives]]. The same is true for [[Good Faith Conservatism\|good faith conservatism]].

			How would a good faith, [[meta]]-compatible libertarian [[politics]] be different than the way it is currently practiced?

			* Support for unions, since they represent free-market solutions to wage inequality
			* Advocate market based alternatives to regulation, such as organized consumer action. The free market doesn't magically [[self-regulate]], it requires people taking action to vote with their dollar.
			* Fully embrace diversity and [[inclusivity]]. This doesn't mean going "woke" but it does mean not allowing [[racists]] in your ranks.

	== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==		== Reconsidering Libertarianism ==

Fractalguy: /* Libertarian Roots */

2024-12-31T12:26:26Z

Libertarian Roots

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	[[metaculture]] has many roots in Libertarian [[philosophy]]. The notions of distributed power, [[self-organization]] of [[capital]] markets, and maximizing [[freedom]], are all important components of [[political]] and [[economic]] [[best-practices]]. It's also the obvious product of a reformed [[Crypto-bros\|tech bro]].		[[metaculture]] has many roots in Libertarian [[philosophy]]. The notions of distributed power, [[self-organization]] of [[capital]] markets, and maximizing [[freedom]], are all important components of [[political]] and [[economic]] [[best-practices]]. It's also the obvious product of a reformed [[Crypto-bros\|tech bro]].

	Libertarianism goes back to the 70s, but it really started catching on among the techies in the 90s during the very beginnings of the DotCom boom. This was a very [[optimistic]] time, following the fall of the Berlin wall and before the events of 9/11. Libertarianism and its [[philosophical]] ally [[wikipedia:Objectivism\|Objectivism]] were not widely known outside of the techno-nerd [[culture]], who did not have the cachet that they currently enjoy. These [[philosophies]] made a lot of sense at a time when [[capitalism]] had just "defeated" [[communism]], new [[technology]] was poised to revolutionize [[society]], and we appeared to be on the cusp of a new millennium of [[peace]] and [[prosperity]].		Libertarianism goes back to the 70s, but it really started catching on among the techies in the 90s during the very beginnings of the DotCom boom. This was a very [[optimistic]] time, following the fall of the Berlin wall and before the events of 9/11. Libertarianism and its [[philosophical]] ally [[wikipedia:Objectivism\|Objectivism]] were not widely known outside of the [[Crypto-bros\|techno-nerd]] [[culture]], who did not have the cachet that they currently enjoy. These [[philosophies]] made a lot of sense at a time when [[capitalism]] had just "defeated" [[communism]], new [[technology]] was poised to revolutionize [[society]], and we appeared to be on the cusp of a new millennium of [[peace]] and [[prosperity]].

	At that time, the welfare and regulatory state was exceptionally bloated, inefficient, and in need of significant reforms. The [[war]] on [[drugs]] and [[mass incarceration]] were in full swing, police had very little oversight, and neither mainstream [[political]] party advocated for reforming this status quo.		At that time, the welfare and regulatory state was exceptionally bloated, inefficient, and in need of significant reforms. The [[war]] on [[drugs]] and [[mass incarceration]] were in full swing, police had very little oversight, and neither mainstream [[political]] party advocated for reforming this status quo.

Fractalguy at 12:23, 31 December 2024

2024-12-31T12:23:24Z

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	[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism Libertarianism] is the preferred [[political]] ideology of the [[Crypto-bros\|technological elites]].		[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism Libertarianism] is the preferred [[political]] ideology of the [[Crypto-bros\|technological elites]].

	It purports to be concerned with maximizing [[freedom]] in both the [[political]] and [[economic]] spheres, but tends to be focused too much on the [[economic]] [[freedom]] of billionaires over the [[well-being]] of the general public.<blockquote>''"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end."'' -Lord Acton</blockquote>		It purports to be concerned with maximizing [[freedom]] in both the [[political]] and [[economic]] spheres, but tends to be focused too much on the [[economic]] [[freedom]] of billionaires over the [[well-being]] of the general public.<blockquote>''"Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end."'' -Lord Acton</blockquote>[[Freedom]] is absolutely a key contributor to [[happiness]]. But what is maximized [[freedom]] in a [[utilitarian]] [[society]]? Which [[Freedom\|freedoms]] and which constraints do we count? [[Government]] isn't the only [[institution]] in [[society]] that significantly contributes to what you can and cannot [[Free will\|choose to do]].

	== Libertarian Roots ==		== Libertarian Roots ==