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Fractalguy: /* No One is an Enemy */

2026-03-30T04:23:38Z

No One is an Enemy

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	It reinforces the "us versus them" mentality that keeps humanity from uniting and living out the Star Trek dream of uniting not just our planet, but Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar, and others too. No intelligent life form should be excluded!		It reinforces the "us versus them" mentality that keeps humanity from uniting and living out the Star Trek dream of uniting not just our planet, but Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar, and others too. No intelligent life form should be excluded!

			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR2tkKtUyTo\|\|center\|Who Counts as Human?\|frame}}

	=== Enemies Make Cruelty Fun ===		=== Enemies Make Cruelty Fun ===

Fractalguy: /* The Paradox of Tolerance */

2025-11-29T23:42:28Z

The Paradox of Tolerance

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	[[wikipedia:Karl_Popper\|Karl Popper's]] [[wikipedia:Paradox_of_tolerance\|Paradox of Tolerance]] is an important related concept. If we are too tolerant of intolerance, it can erode the basis for a [[Freedom\|free]] [[society]]. We must find a balance between allowing [[Freedom of Speech\|freedom of speech]], and the [[freedom]] do pursue [[happiness]] in any form, while preventing the spread of [[concepts]] that are inherently destructive.		[[wikipedia:Karl_Popper\|Karl Popper's]] [[wikipedia:Paradox_of_tolerance\|Paradox of Tolerance]] is an important related concept. If we are too tolerant of intolerance, it can erode the basis for a [[Freedom\|free]] [[society]]. We must find a balance between allowing [[Freedom of Speech\|freedom of speech]], and the [[freedom]] do pursue [[happiness]] in any form, while preventing the spread of [[concepts]] that are inherently destructive.
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwQZvZgZV-A\|\|center\|Toleration (How Tolerant Should A Society Be?)\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwQZvZgZV-A\|\|center\|Toleration (How Tolerant Should A Society Be?)\|frame}}

Fractalguy at 23:37, 29 November 2025

2025-11-29T23:37:45Z

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	It is possible to be loyal to [[family]], [[community]], and [[universal]] [[humanist]] [[values]] at the same time, and finding a way to make that clear will be [[necessary]] for [[secular]], [[progressive]] values to appeal to all of our [[wikipedia:Moral_foundations_theory\|moral foundations]].		It is possible to be loyal to [[family]], [[community]], and [[universal]] [[humanist]] [[values]] at the same time, and finding a way to make that clear will be [[necessary]] for [[secular]], [[progressive]] values to appeal to all of our [[wikipedia:Moral_foundations_theory\|moral foundations]].
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	== Creating the Universal In-Group ==		== Creating the Universal In-Group ==
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	== No One is an Enemy ==		== No One is an Enemy ==
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	The Christian [[doctrine]] of [[wikipedia:Luke_6#Love_thy_enemies_(6:27%E2%80%9336)\|love thy enemies]] is central to the teachings of [[wikipedia:Jesus\|Jesus]], as well as the [[historical]] figures we epitomize for their [[Enlightenment\|enlightened]] [[morality]], such as [[wikipedia:Mahatma_Gandhi\|Ghandi]], [[wikipedia:Nelson_Mandela\|Nelson Mandela]], the [[wikipedia:Dalai_Lama\|Dalai Lama]], and [[wikipedia:Martin_Luther_King_Jr.\|Martin Luthor King]]. Each of these figures [[wikipedia:Turning_the_other_cheek\|turned the other cheek]] by leading non-violent resistance to violent forces of oppression, winning the hearts and minds of the public and easily claiming the moral high ground for their causes.		The Christian [[doctrine]] of [[wikipedia:Luke_6#Love_thy_enemies_(6:27%E2%80%9336)\|love thy enemies]] is central to the teachings of [[wikipedia:Jesus\|Jesus]], as well as the [[historical]] figures we epitomize for their [[Enlightenment\|enlightened]] [[morality]], such as [[wikipedia:Mahatma_Gandhi\|Ghandi]], [[wikipedia:Nelson_Mandela\|Nelson Mandela]], the [[wikipedia:Dalai_Lama\|Dalai Lama]], and [[wikipedia:Martin_Luther_King_Jr.\|Martin Luthor King]]. Each of these figures [[wikipedia:Turning_the_other_cheek\|turned the other cheek]] by leading non-violent resistance to violent forces of oppression, winning the hearts and minds of the public and easily claiming the moral high ground for their causes.

Fractalguy: /* Anything Less is Immoral */

2025-09-06T02:11:51Z

Anything Less is Immoral

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	== Anything Less is Immoral ==		== Anything Less is Immoral ==
	Any definition of in-group that is not [[universal]] is inherently immoral. As soon as you define an out-group that is less deserving of [[ethical]] consideration than the members of the in-group, you have laid the groundwork to justify [[hate]], [[racism]], [[misogyny]], [[war]], and every other manner of injustice.		Any definition of in-group that is not [[universal]] is inherently immoral. As soon as you define an out-group that is less deserving of [[ethical]] consideration than the members of the in-group, you have laid the groundwork to justify [[hate]], [[racism]], [[misogyny]], [[war]], and every other manner of injustice. That kind of nonsense may have made sense when we were mostly separated by geography and resources were [[scarce]], but in an era of [[Connections\|interconnected]] [[abundance]] it is [[necessary]] to expand our [[moral]] circle.

	=== Basis in Cognitive and Moral Development Theory ===		=== Basis in Cognitive and Moral Development Theory ===

Fractalguy: /* Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle */

2025-09-05T23:38:58Z

Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle

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	== Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle ==		== Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle ==
	This oft-misinterpreted study in Nature called [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle] provides [[evidence]] that shows [[progressives]] tend to have a more expanded "[[wikipedia:Moral_circle_expansion\|moral circle]]" than [[conservatives]]. This result has been used to slander [[progressives]] as caring more about [[nature]] than [[family]], and to make typical accusations of [[wikipedia:Tribalism\|tribalism]] and [[racism]] towards [[conservatives]]. [https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/moral-circles-heat-map/][https://www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/2019/10/conservatives-have-smaller-moral-circles-than-progressives/]		This oft-misinterpreted study in Nature called [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle] provides [[evidence]] that shows [[progressives]] tend to have a more expanded "[[wikipedia:Moral_circle_expansion\|moral circle]]" than [[conservatives]]. This result has been used to slander [[progressives]] as caring more about [[nature]] than [[family]], and to make typical accusations of [[wikipedia:Tribalism\|tribalism]] and [[racism]] towards [[conservatives]]. [https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/moral-circles-heat-map/][https://www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/2019/10/conservatives-have-smaller-moral-circles-than-progressives/]
			[[File:Moral-circles-heatmap.png\|center\|thumb\|600x600px\|The infamous moral circles heatmap image]]
	It is more correct to say that the expanded moral circle is a by-product of exposure and learning. If you lack the [[prerequisite]] knowledge or experience with other [[cultures]], or have had bad experiences and [[education]] that reinforced negative stereotypes, it is much harder to include those groups in your moral circle. When you have a [[scarcity]] mindset, you prioritize those closest to you much more highly in your [[hierarchy]] of values.		It is more correct to say that the expanded moral circle is a by-product of exposure and learning. If you lack the [[prerequisite]] knowledge or experience with other [[cultures]], or have had bad experiences and [[education]] that reinforced negative stereotypes, it is much harder to include those groups in your moral circle. When you have a [[scarcity]] mindset, you prioritize those closest to you much more highly in your [[hierarchy]] of values.

Fractalguy: /* Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle */

2025-09-04T23:45:50Z

Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle

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	== Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle ==		== Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle ==
	This oft-misinterpreted study in Nature called [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle] provides [[evidence]] that shows [[progressives]] tend to have a more expanded "[[wikipedia:Moral_circle_expansion\|moral circle]]" than [[conservatives]]. This result has been used to slander [[progressives]] as caring more about [[nature]] than [[family]], and to make typical accusations of [[wikipedia:Tribalism\|tribalism]] and [[racism]] towards [[conservatives]].		This oft-misinterpreted study in Nature called [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle] provides [[evidence]] that shows [[progressives]] tend to have a more expanded "[[wikipedia:Moral_circle_expansion\|moral circle]]" than [[conservatives]]. This result has been used to slander [[progressives]] as caring more about [[nature]] than [[family]], and to make typical accusations of [[wikipedia:Tribalism\|tribalism]] and [[racism]] towards [[conservatives]]. [https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/moral-circles-heat-map/][https://www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/2019/10/conservatives-have-smaller-moral-circles-than-progressives/]

	It is more correct to say that the expanded moral circle is a by-product of exposure and learning. If you lack the [[prerequisite]] knowledge or experience with other [[cultures]], or have had bad experiences and [[education]] that reinforced negative stereotypes, it is much harder to include those groups in your moral circle. When you have a [[scarcity]] mindset, you prioritize those closest to you much more highly in your [[hierarchy]] of values.		It is more correct to say that the expanded moral circle is a by-product of exposure and learning. If you lack the [[prerequisite]] knowledge or experience with other [[cultures]], or have had bad experiences and [[education]] that reinforced negative stereotypes, it is much harder to include those groups in your moral circle. When you have a [[scarcity]] mindset, you prioritize those closest to you much more highly in your [[hierarchy]] of values.

Fractalguy: /* Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle */

2025-09-04T12:53:49Z

Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle

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	Even those [[progressives]] that have embraced the [[wonder]] of the [[universe]] and [[love]] of all the interconnected things can still use some practice when it comes to [[Love\|loving]] your enemy, especially on [[social media]]. There is always a bigger moral circle to be embraced.		Even those [[progressives]] that have embraced the [[wonder]] of the [[universe]] and [[love]] of all the interconnected things can still use some practice when it comes to [[Love\|loving]] your enemy, especially on [[social media]]. There is always a bigger moral circle to be embraced.

			In that spirit, we can also see the differences in moral circles as a matter of [[perspective]] and priority. We know that [[conservative]] thinking is more [[hierarchical]], so they naturally focus more on the fact that their inner circles as their highest priority. [[Progressives]] also prioritize their [[families]] over the rest of the [[universe]], but they also know that every human is equally deserving of [[moral]] consideration, and focus on this fact when answering survey questions. If push came to shove, of course they would likewise prioritize their close relations. But they recognize we live in an interconnected, post-[[scarcity]] world. The greater good is now best served by focusing on humanity [[holistically]], including its relationship to the [[environment]].

	== Anything Less is Immoral ==		== Anything Less is Immoral ==

Fractalguy: /* Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle */

2025-08-14T00:03:16Z

Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle

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	If someone never learned algebra, would we call their inability to solve for x a [[moral]] failing? In the modern world, we need an [[education]] that teaches us what we need to know to thrive in a modern world. This includes algebra, and it includes the understanding that we live in a post-[[scarcity]] world where all people can be treated with dignity and rights without sacrificing the [[happiness]] of our loved ones. We also live in an interconnected world, where we depend on every aspect of our [[environment]] and [[nature]] thrive. These are [[truths]] about the world that the [[brain]] cannot understand without learning them from somewhere. Blame the system for the fact that so many have not been exposed to these [[ideas]].		If someone never learned algebra, would we call their inability to solve for x a [[moral]] failing? In the modern world, we need an [[education]] that teaches us what we need to know to thrive in a modern world. This includes algebra, and it includes the understanding that we live in a post-[[scarcity]] world where all people can be treated with dignity and rights without sacrificing the [[happiness]] of our loved ones. We also live in an interconnected world, where we depend on every aspect of our [[environment]] and [[nature]] thrive. These are [[truths]] about the world that the [[brain]] cannot understand without learning them from somewhere. Blame the system for the fact that so many have not been exposed to these [[ideas]].

			Even those [[progressives]] that have embraced the [[wonder]] of the [[universe]] and [[love]] of all the interconnected things can still use some practice when it comes to [[Love\|loving]] your enemy, especially on [[social media]]. There is always a bigger moral circle to be embraced.

	== Anything Less is Immoral ==		== Anything Less is Immoral ==

Fractalguy at 00:00, 14 August 2025

2025-08-14T00:00:11Z

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	[[Religion]] has been the primary way that humans have defined their in-groups and out-groups since the dawn of civilization. This is unlikely to change soon. Therefore, a [[universalist]] movement will be necessary to create a universal in-group. And since humans have an innate sense of [[logic]] and [[reason]], it will also need to adhere fully to the evidence revealed by [[science]]. Only a movement that fully embraces both will have a chance at creating a universal in-group.		[[Religion]] has been the primary way that humans have defined their in-groups and out-groups since the dawn of civilization. This is unlikely to change soon. Therefore, a [[universalist]] movement will be necessary to create a universal in-group. And since humans have an innate sense of [[logic]] and [[reason]], it will also need to adhere fully to the evidence revealed by [[science]]. Only a movement that fully embraces both will have a chance at creating a universal in-group.

			== Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle ==
			This oft-misinterpreted study in Nature called [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 Ideological Differences in the Expanse of the Moral Circle] provides [[evidence]] that shows [[progressives]] tend to have a more expanded "[[wikipedia:Moral_circle_expansion\|moral circle]]" than [[conservatives]]. This result has been used to slander [[progressives]] as caring more about [[nature]] than [[family]], and to make typical accusations of [[wikipedia:Tribalism\|tribalism]] and [[racism]] towards [[conservatives]].

			It is more correct to say that the expanded moral circle is a by-product of exposure and learning. If you lack the [[prerequisite]] knowledge or experience with other [[cultures]], or have had bad experiences and [[education]] that reinforced negative stereotypes, it is much harder to include those groups in your moral circle. When you have a [[scarcity]] mindset, you prioritize those closest to you much more highly in your [[hierarchy]] of values.

			If someone never learned algebra, would we call their inability to solve for x a [[moral]] failing? In the modern world, we need an [[education]] that teaches us what we need to know to thrive in a modern world. This includes algebra, and it includes the understanding that we live in a post-[[scarcity]] world where all people can be treated with dignity and rights without sacrificing the [[happiness]] of our loved ones. We also live in an interconnected world, where we depend on every aspect of our [[environment]] and [[nature]] thrive. These are [[truths]] about the world that the [[brain]] cannot understand without learning them from somewhere. Blame the system for the fact that so many have not been exposed to these [[ideas]].

	== Anything Less is Immoral ==		== Anything Less is Immoral ==

Fractalguy at 14:21, 27 June 2025

2025-06-27T14:21:37Z

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	[[File:The-Universal-In-Group.png\|thumb\|AI is inclusive of three-armed people as well]]There is a natural tendency for humans to define themselves in terms of [[wikipedia:In-group_and_out-group\|in-groups and outsiders]].		[[File:The-Universal-In-Group.png\|thumb\|[[AI]] is inclusive of three-armed people as well]]There is a natural tendency for humans to define themselves in terms of [[wikipedia:In-group_and_out-group\|in-groups and outsiders]].

	This makes sense from an [[evolutionary]] perspective, but in a globally connected society it can lead to chaos. There are so many overlapping in-groups that cross all national and cultural borders that attempting to define them in any way creates tons of exceptions.		This makes sense from an [[evolutionary]] perspective, but in a globally connected society it can lead to chaos. There are so many overlapping in-groups that cross all national and cultural borders that attempting to define them in any way creates tons of exceptions.