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Fractalguy at 17:13, 30 November 2025

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	In a highly [[educated]] modern [[culture]], where we understand the relationship between our [[ethics]], our [[brains]], and our [[quality of life]], we can use [[reason]] instead of [[faith]] to provide even greater motivation.		In a highly [[educated]] modern [[culture]], where we understand the relationship between our [[ethics]], our [[brains]], and our [[quality of life]], we can use [[reason]] instead of [[faith]] to provide even greater motivation.
	~~[[File:Hell-you-made-it-look-sick-af.png\|center\|frameless\|600x600px]]~~

	== How to Get to Heaven ==		== How to Get to Heaven ==
	According to most [[religions]], you will find yourself in heaven whenever you live your [[life]] according to [[god]]'s plan. But what does that really mean? If [[happiness]] is the [[subjective]] experience of the [[Brains\|brain's]] reaction to pro-survival and pro-social behavior, with the express purpose of making those actions more likely, it follows that this must be the primary [[Meterstick\|guidepost]] that "[[god]]" has instilled in us through [[evolution]] in order to [[incentivize]] us to do the right thing, by rewarding us with positive [[feelings]] when we do.		According to most [[religions]], you will find yourself in heaven whenever you live your [[life]] according to [[god]]'s plan. But what does that really mean? If [[happiness]] is the [[subjective]] experience of the [[Brains\|brain's]] reaction to pro-survival and pro-social behavior, with the express purpose of making those actions more likely, it follows that this must be the primary [[Meterstick\|guidepost]] that "[[god]]" has instilled in us through [[evolution]] in order to [[incentivize]] us to do the right thing, by rewarding us with positive [[feelings]] when we do.
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	Developing some kind of [[mental]] practice, such as [[mindfulness]], [[meditation]], [[philosophy]], or the [[God Concept]] is very helpful for finding [[meaning]] and ensuring that you stay on the path. Many would say it's [[necessary]], especially if you want a persistent and resilient heaven.		Developing some kind of [[mental]] practice, such as [[mindfulness]], [[meditation]], [[philosophy]], or the [[God Concept]] is very helpful for finding [[meaning]] and ensuring that you stay on the path. Many would say it's [[necessary]], especially if you want a persistent and resilient heaven.

	Getting too hung up on the particulars about the exact optimal path is a not going to get you there. Just do what makes you [[happy]], as long as it doesn't interfere with the [[happiness]] of others, and your [[brain]] will reward you in ''this'' [[life]], without waiting for the [[afterlife]].		Getting too hung up on the particulars about the exact optimal path is a not going to get you there. Just do what makes you [[happy]], as long as it doesn't interfere with the [[happiness]] of others, and your [[brain]] will reward you in ''this'' [[life]], without waiting for the [[afterlife]].[[File:Hell-you-made-it-look-sick-af.png\|center\|frameless\|600x600px]]

	== From a Theological Perspective ==		== From a Theological Perspective ==

Fractalguy at 15:26, 30 November 2025

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	In a highly [[educated]] modern [[culture]], where we understand the relationship between our [[ethics]], our [[brains]], and our [[quality of life]], we can use [[reason]] instead of [[faith]] to provide even greater motivation.		In a highly [[educated]] modern [[culture]], where we understand the relationship between our [[ethics]], our [[brains]], and our [[quality of life]], we can use [[reason]] instead of [[faith]] to provide even greater motivation.
			[[File:Hell-you-made-it-look-sick-af.png\|center\|frameless\|600x600px]]

	== How to Get to Heaven ==		== How to Get to Heaven ==

Fractalguy at 22:48, 13 August 2025

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	[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]		[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]
	[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or ~~pain~~.		[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or [[suffering]].

	Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].		Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].

Fractalguy: /* How to Get to Heaven */

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How to Get to Heaven

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	== How to Get to Heaven ==		== How to Get to Heaven ==
	According to most [[religions]], you will find yourself in heaven whenever you live your [[life]] according to [[god]]'s plan. But what does that really mean? If [[happiness]] is the [[subjective]] experience of the [[Brains\|brain's]] reaction to pro-survival and pro-social behavior, with the express purpose of making those actions more likely, it follows that this must be the primary [[Meterstick\|guidepost]] that "[[god]]" has instilled in us through [[evolution]] in order to ~~guide~~ us ~~towards doing~~ the right thing, ~~and reward~~ us when we do.		According to most [[religions]], you will find yourself in heaven whenever you live your [[life]] according to [[god]]'s plan. But what does that really mean? If [[happiness]] is the [[subjective]] experience of the [[Brains\|brain's]] reaction to pro-survival and pro-social behavior, with the express purpose of making those actions more likely, it follows that this must be the primary [[Meterstick\|guidepost]] that "[[god]]" has instilled in us through [[evolution]] in order to [[incentivize]] us to do the right thing, by rewarding us with positive [[feelings]] when we do.

	Heaven is the state of [[mind]] we achieve when we have a wide [[variety]] of things in life that [[brains]] crave:		Heaven is the state of [[mind]] we achieve when we have a wide [[variety]] of things in life that [[brains]] crave:

Fractalguy at 17:54, 20 January 2025

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	[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]		[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]
	[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the ~~collective~~ [[consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.		[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.

	Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].		Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].

Fractalguy at 17:52, 20 January 2025

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	[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]		[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]
	[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.		[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the collective [[consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.

	The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the collective [[consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.

	Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].		Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].

Fractalguy: /* Heavenly Music */

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Heavenly Music

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo\|\|center\|Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell (Full Album)\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo\|\|center\|Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell (Full Album)\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mKR2AuZ85Q\|\|center\|Diamanda Galás - You Must Be Certain of the Devil\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* Heavenly Music */

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Heavenly Music

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuSsCRUXGOU\|\|center\|Talking Heads - Heaven\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuSsCRUXGOU\|\|center\|Talking Heads - Heaven\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej6-dohu-JY\|\|center\|Grateful Dead - Saint of Circumstance\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo\|\|center\|Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell (Full Album)\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo\|\|center\|Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell (Full Album)\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* From a Theological Perspective */

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From a Theological Perspective

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5dtE73WRiU\|\|center\|Every Major World Religion's Afterlife Beliefs Explained in 9 Minutes\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5dtE73WRiU\|\|center\|Every Major World Religion's Afterlife Beliefs Explained in 9 Minutes\|frame}}
	== Heavenly Music		== Heavenly Music ==
	Lots of great songs evoke the heaven and hell [[metaphor]].		Lots of great songs evoke the heaven and hell [[metaphor]].
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM\|\|center\|Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM\|\|center\|Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* From a Theological Perspective */

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From a Theological Perspective

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9hxa7rHVzg\|\|center\|Heaven and Hell are States of Mind\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9hxa7rHVzg\|\|center\|Heaven and Hell are States of Mind\|frame}}
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			{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5dtE73WRiU\|\|center\|Every Major World Religion's Afterlife Beliefs Explained in 9 Minutes\|frame}}
			== Heavenly Music
			Lots of great songs evoke the heaven and hell [[metaphor]].
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM\|\|center\|Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM\|\|center\|Belinda Carlisle - Heaven is a Place on Earth\|frame}}
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	[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]		[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]
	[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or ~~pain~~.		[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or [[suffering]].

	Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].		Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].

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	[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]		[[File:Heaven-and-hell-afterlife-fractal-science-consciousness-supernatural.jpg\|thumb\|Clouds are [[fractals]] just like the [[afterlife]]]]
	[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the ~~collective~~ [[consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.		[[Heaven]] and [[Hell]] are [[allegories]] for the [[emotional]] [[life]] you experience when you live a [[life]] that is full of [[happiness and well-being]] versus one filled with [[hate]], anger and pain.<blockquote>''"Don't search for heaven and hell in the future. Both are now present. Whenever we manage to love without expectations, calculations, negotiations, we are indeed in heaven. Whenever we fight, hate, we are in hell."'' -[[wikipedia:Shams_Tabrizi\|Shams Tabrizi]]</blockquote>The [[allegory]] extends into the [[afterlife]], where your memory is kept alive by the [[fractal]] impact of your actions on the [[wikipedia:Collective_consciousness\|collective consciousness]] of humanity. It persists forever in heaven or hell, depending on whether your actions caused others [[happiness]] or pain.

	Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].		Most [[religions]] have [https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/23/heaven-and-hell-according-to-various-religions/ some version of heaven and hell] since these [[metaphors]] accurately depict the [[emotional]] experience of living a good [[life]] versus one filled with [[These things are bad, mkay?\|things that are bad]], as well as your impact on others and their memory of you. They also provide powerful [[ethical]] motivation, especially when combined with the [[concept]] of an omniscient [[god]].