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Fractalguy at 12:11, 9 February 2025

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 There are a few different viewpoints given in this video, but Deepak Chopra's is closest to the one described here, though he uses more mystical [[language]] to describe it.
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 == What Impacts Your Afterlife? ==

Fractalguy: /* Only a Narcissist Wants to Live Forever */

2025-01-24T11:40:53Z

Only a Narcissist Wants to Live Forever

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	Anyone who wishes for their [[subjective]] experience of [[consciousness]] to live forever after they [[die]] is a bit too attached to their [[ego]]. They have also not really though through what the actual experience of living forever would be [[like]]. Hint: boredom sets in around year 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.		Anyone who wishes for their [[subjective]] experience of [[consciousness]] to live forever after they [[die]] is a bit too attached to their [[ego]]. They have also not really though through what the actual experience of living forever would be [[like]]. Hint: boredom sets in around year 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.

	The essential pattern of your [[conscious]] [[existence]] will be retained in the collective [[minds]] of all [[future humans]]. You will not be able to experience this [[subjectively]]. This is fine.		The [[Generating equation\|essential pattern]] of your [[conscious]] [[existence]] will be retained in the collective [[minds]] of all [[future humans]]. You will not be able to experience this [[subjectively]]. This is fine.

	== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==		== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==

Fractalguy at 11:40, 24 January 2025

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	[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]		[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of [[heaven]]]]
	While [[scientific]] [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for [[subjective]] [[consciousness]] to exist after the [[Brains\|brain's]] [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.<blockquote>''"Do for this life as if you live forever, do for the afterlife as if you die tomorrow." -''[[wikipedia:Ali\|Ali ibn Abi Talib]]</blockquote>While your [[subjectivity]] may not survive [[death]], the [[fractal]] imprint of your [[life choices]] will absolutely live forever. When you consider that [[consciousness]] is an [[emergent property]] of our [[Brains\|brain's]] interaction with its [[information environment]], the impact that your [[brain]] has on that [[environment]] going on forever is the same as you living forever.		While [[scientific]] [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for [[subjective]] [[consciousness]] to exist after the [[Brains\|brain's]] [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.<blockquote>''"Do for this life as if you live forever, do for the afterlife as if you die tomorrow." -''[[wikipedia:Ali\|Ali ibn Abi Talib]]</blockquote>While your [[subjectivity]] may not survive [[death]], the [[fractal]] imprint of your [[life choices]] will absolutely live forever. When you consider that [[consciousness]] is an [[emergent property]] of our [[Brains\|brain's]] interaction with its [[information environment]], the impact that your [[brain]] has on that [[environment]] going on forever is the same as you living forever.

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	== Only a Narcissist Wants to Live Forever ==		== Only a Narcissist Wants to Live Forever ==
	Anyone who wishes for their subjective experience of consciousness to live forever after they die is a bit too attached to their ego. They have also not really though through what the actual experience of living forever would be [[like]]. Hint: boredom sets in around year 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.		Anyone who wishes for their [[subjective]] experience of [[consciousness]] to live forever after they [[die]] is a bit too attached to their [[ego]]. They have also not really though through what the actual experience of living forever would be [[like]]. Hint: boredom sets in around year 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.

	The essential pattern of your [[conscious]] [[existence]] will be retained in the collective minds of all [[future humans]]. You will not be able to experience this [[subjectively]]. This is fine.		The essential pattern of your [[conscious]] [[existence]] will be retained in the collective [[minds]] of all [[future humans]]. You will not be able to experience this [[subjectively]]. This is fine.

	== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==		== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==

Fractalguy: only a narcissist wants to live forever

2025-01-24T11:38:34Z

only a narcissist wants to live forever

Fractalguy at 11:17, 20 January 2025

2025-01-20T11:17:29Z

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	[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]		[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]
	While scientific [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for subjective [[consciousness]] to exist after the brain's [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.		While scientific [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for [[subjective]] [[consciousness]] to exist after the [[Brains\|brain's]] [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.<blockquote>''"Do for this life as if you live forever, do for the afterlife as if you die tomorrow." -''[[wikipedia:Ali\|Ali ibn Abi Talib]]</blockquote>While your [[subjectivity]] may not survive [[death]], the [[fractal]] imprint of your [[life choices]] will absolutely live forever. When you consider that [[consciousness]] is an [[emergent property]] of our [[Brains\|brain's]] interaction with its [[information environment]], the impact that your [[brain]] has on that [[environment]] going on forever is the same as you living forever.

	== History's Dankest Meme ==		== History's Dankest Meme ==

Fractalguy at 22:12, 29 December 2024

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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiewC3QP-k\|\|center\|Is There Life After Death with Sam Harris, Bill Nye, Michio Kaku, and Others\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiewC3QP-k\|\|center\|Is There Life After Death with Sam Harris, Bill Nye, Michio Kaku, and Others\|frame}}
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	There are a few different viewpoints given in this video, but Deepak Chopra's is closest to the one described here, though he uses more mystical language to describe it.		There are a few different viewpoints given in this video, but Deepak Chopra's is closest to the one described here, though he uses more mystical [[language]] to describe it.
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmnntDSXrjU\|\|center\|Is Death Final?\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmnntDSXrjU\|\|center\|Is Death Final?\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* What Impacts Your Afterlife? */

2024-10-01T00:13:09Z

What Impacts Your Afterlife?

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	Listen to the lyrics song and imagine all of these things leaving their forever mark on the [[universe]]. This is your [[fractal]] pattern that will last until the end of [[time]]. Don't know the lyrics? They are the ones on the [[Metaculture\|home page]].		Listen to the lyrics song and imagine all of these things leaving their forever mark on the [[universe]]. This is your [[fractal]] pattern that will last until the end of [[time]]. Don't know the lyrics? They are the ones on the [[Metaculture\|home page]].

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://~~www~~.~~youtube.com~~/~~watch~~?v=~~k0xGxnZFNYs~~\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/nmnbEgeL80Q?t=231\|\|center\|\|frame}}
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	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZPA76J4Jg\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZPA76J4Jg\|\|center\|\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* What Impacts Your Afterlife? */

2024-06-23T01:37:00Z

What Impacts Your Afterlife?

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Fractalguy at 22:36, 24 January 2024

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	While scientific [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Materialism materialism] does not allow for subjective [[consciousness]] to exist after the brain's [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.		[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]
			While scientific [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for subjective [[consciousness]] to exist after the brain's [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.

	== History's Dankest Meme ==		== History's Dankest Meme ==

	The afterlife [[meme]] is so powerful because it does confer several [[psychological]] benefits to the believer. It can be very comforting to believe in being reunited with lost [[~~family~~\|loved ones]]. It can also be very motivating to believe in eternal rewards and punishments. Many [[religious]] adherents can't conceive of [[morality]] existing without it.		The afterlife [[meme]] is so powerful because it does confer several [[psychological]] benefits to the believer. It can be very comforting to believe in being reunited with lost [[Family\|loved ones]]. It can also be very motivating to believe in eternal rewards and punishments. Many [[religious]] adherents can't conceive of [[morality]] existing without it.

	The ego cannot resist the idea of [[~~longevity~~\|living forever]], so it shares the afterlife [[meme]] on any [[platform]] available throughout [[history]].		The ego cannot resist the idea of [[Longevity\|living forever]], so it shares the afterlife [[meme]] on any [[platform]] available throughout [[history]].

	== Everything You Do Has an Impact ==		== Everything You Do Has an Impact ==
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	While our [[consciousness]] may not live on, the [[fractal]] pattern of its impact will reverberate through the ages in the collective [[minds]] of all humanity, spreading the joy or pain we caused when we lived to ever person who will ever live after. If you live a good [[life]] and spread joy to others, your afterlife will be joyous. If you live a [[life]] causing others pain, your afterlife will be misery. Not just the in way that others remember you, but in how they have been impacted by your actions.		While our [[consciousness]] may not live on, the [[fractal]] pattern of its impact will reverberate through the ages in the collective [[minds]] of all humanity, spreading the joy or pain we caused when we lived to ever person who will ever live after. If you live a good [[life]] and spread joy to others, your afterlife will be joyous. If you live a [[life]] causing others pain, your afterlife will be misery. Not just the in way that others remember you, but in how they have been impacted by your actions.

	These real and undeniable phenomena are the source for our belief in an afterlife. [[Heaven and hell]] are perfect [[allegories]] for the way our positivity or negativity live on. For the believer, adopting this point of view has the advantage of grounding unprovable claims about the afterlife in [[reality]], eliminating the [[~~faith~~\|inevitable baggage of doubt]] that any unprovable claim carries with it. For non-believers it can help add [[meaning]] to [[life]] knowing that our actions will have untold impacts on future generations. It also allows both to understand each other so much better.		These real and undeniable phenomena are the source for our belief in an afterlife. [[Heaven and hell]] are perfect [[allegories]] for the way our positivity or negativity live on. For the believer, adopting this point of view has the advantage of grounding unprovable claims about the afterlife in [[reality]], eliminating the [[Faith\|inevitable baggage of doubt]] that any unprovable claim carries with it. For non-believers it can help add [[meaning]] to [[life]] knowing that our actions will have untold impacts on future generations. It also allows both to understand each other so much better.

	== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==		== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==
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	== What Impacts Your Afterlife? ==		== What Impacts Your Afterlife? ==

	Listen to the lyrics song and imagine all of these things leaving their forever mark on the [[universe]]. This is your [[fractal]] pattern that will last until the end of [[time]]. Don't know the lyrics? They are the ones on the [[~~metaculture~~\|home page]].		Listen to the lyrics song and imagine all of these things leaving their forever mark on the [[universe]]. This is your [[fractal]] pattern that will last until the end of [[time]]. Don't know the lyrics? They are the ones on the [[Metaculture\|home page]].

	{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xGxnZFNYs\|\|center\|\|frame}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0xGxnZFNYs\|\|center\|\|frame}}

Fractalguy: /* Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry */

2024-01-12T19:12:58Z

Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry

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	== Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry ==		== Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry ==

	With the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect butterfly effect] you can never tell when one of those changes might be the tipping point in something momentous. Being rude to that waiter could be someday lead to [[genocide]]. Best to put out good vibes just in case.		With the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect butterfly effect] you can never tell when one of those changes might be the tipping point in something momentous. Being rude to that waiter could be someday lead to [[genocide]]. Best to put out good vibes just in case. See [[Karma]].

	== The Fractal Fingerprint of Your Soul ==		== The Fractal Fingerprint of Your Soul ==

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	[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]		[[File:Afterlife-clouds-heaven-gate-angels-ascention.jpg\|thumb\|Airplanes changed our concept of heaven]]
	While scientific [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for [[subjective]] [[consciousness]] to exist after the [[Brains\|brain's]] [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.<blockquote>''"Do for this life as if you live forever, do for the afterlife as if you die tomorrow." -''[[wikipedia:Ali\|Ali ibn Abi Talib]]</blockquote>While your [[subjectivity]] may not survive [[death]], the [[fractal]] imprint of your [[life choices]] will absolutely live forever. When you consider that [[consciousness]] is an [[emergent property]] of our [[Brains\|brain's]] interaction with its [[information environment]], the impact that your [[brain]] has on that [[environment]] going on forever is the same as you living forever.		While [[scientific]] [[wikipedia:Materialism\|materialism]] does not allow for [[subjective]] [[consciousness]] to exist after the [[Brains\|brain's]] [[death]], it does not mean that the notion of an afterlife needs to be rejected.<blockquote>''"Do for this life as if you live forever, do for the afterlife as if you die tomorrow." -''[[wikipedia:Ali\|Ali ibn Abi Talib]]</blockquote>While your [[subjectivity]] may not survive [[death]], the [[fractal]] imprint of your [[life choices]] will absolutely live forever. When you consider that [[consciousness]] is an [[emergent property]] of our [[Brains\|brain's]] interaction with its [[information environment]], the impact that your [[brain]] has on that [[environment]] going on forever is the same as you living forever.

	== History's Dankest Meme ==		== History's Dankest Meme ==

	The afterlife [[meme]] is so powerful because it does confer several [[psychological]] benefits to the believer. It can be very comforting to believe in being reunited with lost [[Family\|loved ones]]. It can also be very motivating to believe in eternal rewards and punishments. Many [[religious]] adherents can't conceive of [[morality]] existing without it.		The afterlife [[meme]] is so powerful because it does confer several [[psychological]] benefits to the believer. It can be very comforting to [[believe]] in being reunited with lost [[Family\|loved ones]]. It can also be very motivating to believe in eternal rewards and punishments. Many [[religious]] adherents can't conceive of [[morality]] existing without it.

	The ego cannot resist the idea of [[Longevity\|living forever]], so it shares the afterlife [[meme]] on any [[platform]] available throughout [[history]].		The ego cannot resist the [[idea]] of [[Longevity\|living forever]], so it shares the afterlife [[meme]] on any [[platform]] available throughout [[history]].

	== Everything You Do Has an Impact ==		== Everything You Do Has an Impact ==
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	== Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry ==		== Good Vibes: Better Safe Than Sorry ==

	With the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect butterfly effect] you can never tell when one of those changes might be the tipping point in something momentous. Being rude to that waiter could be someday lead to [[genocide]]. Best to put out good vibes just in case. See [[Karma]].		With the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect butterfly effect] you can never tell when one of those changes might be the tipping point in something momentous. Being rude to that waiter could be someday lead to [[genocide]]. Best to put out [[good]] vibes [[just]] in case. See [[Karma]].

	== The Fractal Fingerprint of Your Soul ==		== The Fractal Fingerprint of Your Soul ==
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	While our [[consciousness]] may not live on, the [[fractal]] pattern of its impact will reverberate through the ages in the collective [[minds]] of all humanity, spreading the joy or pain we caused when we lived to ever person who will ever live after. If you live a good [[life]] and spread joy to others, your afterlife will be joyous. If you live a [[life]] causing others pain, your afterlife will be misery. Not just the in way that others remember you, but in how they have been impacted by your actions.		While our [[consciousness]] may not live on, the [[fractal]] pattern of its impact will reverberate through the ages in the collective [[minds]] of all humanity, spreading the joy or pain we caused when we lived to ever person who will ever live after. If you live a good [[life]] and spread joy to others, your afterlife will be joyous. If you live a [[life]] causing others pain, your afterlife will be misery. Not just the in way that others remember you, but in how they have been impacted by your actions.

	These real and undeniable phenomena are the source for our belief in an afterlife. [[Heaven and hell]] are perfect [[allegories]] for the way our positivity or negativity live on. For the believer, adopting this point of view has the advantage of grounding unprovable claims about the afterlife in [[reality]], eliminating the [[Faith\|inevitable baggage of doubt]] that any unprovable claim carries with it. For non-believers it can help add [[meaning]] to [[life]] knowing that our actions will have untold impacts on future generations. It also allows both to understand each other so much better.		These real and undeniable phenomena are the source for our [[belief]] in an afterlife. [[Heaven and hell]] are perfect [[allegories]] for the way our [[positivity]] or negativity live on. For the believer, adopting this [[point of view]] has the advantage of grounding unprovable claims about the afterlife in [[reality]], eliminating the [[Faith\|inevitable baggage of doubt]] that any unprovable claim carries with it. For non-believers it can help add [[meaning]] to [[life]] knowing that our actions will have untold impacts on [[future]] generations. It also allows both to understand each other so much better.

			== Only a Narcissist Wants to Live Forever ==
			Anyone who wishes for their subjective experience of consciousness to live forever after they die is a bit too attached to their ego. They have also not really though through what the actual experience of living forever would be [[like]]. Hint: boredom sets in around year 10,000,000,000,000,000,000.

			The essential pattern of your [[conscious]] [[existence]] will be retained in the collective minds of all [[future humans]]. You will not be able to experience this [[subjectively]]. This is fine.

	== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==		== Changing the Conversation About What Happens When You Die ==

	Instead of arguing over whether or not an afterlife exists, the conversation should be about whether or not the undeniable reality of how our actions live on after us is the likely source of our afterlife beliefs and [[traditions]].		Instead of arguing over whether or not an afterlife exists, the conversation should be about whether or not the undeniable reality of how our actions live on after us is the likely source of our afterlife [[beliefs]] and [[traditions]].

	It seems like the [[The Gambler\|more likely]] option.		It seems like the [[The Gambler\|more likely]] option.